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I disagree with Obama on social issues like gay marriage and abortion, but I also dont think this country can afford four more years of Bush policies. I will not vote for McCain. If I don't vote for Obama I will just stay home. As a Bible-believing Christian, would it be a sin for me to vote for Obama, or would I be justified in putting aside social issues for one election for the good of the country?
Nah, it's not a sin. But voting for Hilary would have been. Thank God we dodged that bullet!!!
Seriously, this is not a good year for choices. I have always voted Republican, but McCain? I'd rather shoot myself in the foot.
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I disagree with Obama on social issues like gay marriage and abortion, but I also dont think this country can afford four more years of Bush policies. I will not vote for McCain. If I don't vote for Obama I will just stay home. As a Bible-believing Christian, would it be a sin for me to vote for Obama, or would I be justified in putting aside social issues for one election for the good of the country?
Even though i'm not voting for Obama, voting for him is not a sin. If you honestly believe that you are voting for the person you think is best for the public office then i think God honors that.
BTW, i'm an independent (libertarian/constitution parties' beliefs) and i dont like McCain either.
If, in putting aside social issues, you are also putting aside your values and morals then you are sinning in that you are not being true to yourself. If your values are Christian values, and a politicians values do not align, then you are in effect voting against Christian values. God says 'X' Obama says 'Y' if you pick 'Y' over 'X' you are putting Obama over God and that is a sin. Any politician can be substituted for Obama in this test. The concern should be on social and moral issues. God did not say, "Thou shalt not have socialistic health care. Thou shalt not have one tax structure over another." God said render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's and unto God what is God's. God said love the world, love your neighbor. Obama has a very long history of relationships with some very hateful people. God commands honesty - Obama refuses to open the book and reveal himself on many many issues of his past and personal life. There is no sin in picking one leader over another. There is sin in picking a leader over God. And one last note, just because someone says they are Christian does not make it so. Christianity is best determined by how a person lives their life, who a person holds as friends, and how a person impacts the lives of those around him.
Well if you broaden the scope beyond homosexuality and abortion, George Bush doesn't line up with real Christian values either, yet he is hailed as the 'Christian' President. I think Republicans really need to lose this election. It will allow them to revamp their platform and nominate a strong Reagan-like conservative in 2012 who can actually get this country moving forward again.
Yeah, I don't know why anyone would want to be president right now either. Horrible economy, highest gas prices ever, a messy war of choice that seems to have no way to get out, etc.
Yes, Dems will blame Bush for messes they're unable to clean up, but he's leaving some pretty big messes! Both parties always do it though - blame the opposite party for anything that's going/gone wrong. Politics will never change. I would never, ever want to get into politics!
I agree. Wouldn't it be great if both parties could just work TOGETHER to get things fixed? WHOEVER the next president is, whether we like him or not, is going to need our prayers, not our condemnation. And, if we call ourselves Christians, that's exactly what they'll get from us.
Bush did leave some big messes, but this will be the first time in 80 years that neither the current president, nor the vice president, are running in the presidential race. I personally don't like ANY of the candidates, but, if the Dems take office, that should automatically increase the confidence of foreign nations in the US again. I'm not even close to being a political person, but that would seem to make sense to me.
Is there anyone else who chooses not to vote based on bible-based principles? I have always felt that since Jesus refused to be made king on earth or get involved w/ politics, his followers should also follow that example when remaining 'no part of the world'. Also, it's interesting to note that the 1st century christians would not get involved in politics either, insisting that God's Kingdom was the only sure hope for mankind.
Well, I vote in my own self interest, but I don't put up yard signs, bumper stickers, or really expect much of who I vote for. They're humans, and most likely power-hungry. The Bible has nothing to do with how I vote.
If, in putting aside social issues, you are also putting aside your values and morals then you are sinning in that you are not being true to yourself. If your values are Christian values, and a politicians values do not align, then you are in effect voting against Christian values. God says 'X' Obama says 'Y' if you pick 'Y' over 'X' you are putting Obama over God and that is a sin. Any politician can be substituted for Obama in this test. The concern should be on social and moral issues. God did not say, "Thou shalt not have socialistic health care. Thou shalt not have one tax structure over another." God said render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's and unto God what is God's. God said love the world, love your neighbor. Obama has a very long history of relationships with some very hateful people. God commands honesty - Obama refuses to open the book and reveal himself on many many issues of his past and personal life. There is no sin in picking one leader over another. There is sin in picking a leader over God. And one last note, just because someone says they are Christian does not make it so. Christianity is best determined by how a person lives their life, who a person holds as friends, and how a person impacts the lives of those around him.
" I will have to concur"
except for the statement about his past" ....
we can't determine him by his past, he could have repented
and" Christians we are not supposed to be talking about GWB, he's our leader, whether we agree with his stance or not"
we're called to pray for our leaders"
I hear a lot of believers and leaders of the church, running Bush and others
down in the mud"
Is this what Jesus would instruct us to do?
Just asking
Nah, it's not a sin. But voting for Hilary would have been. Thank God we dodged that bullet!!!
Seriously, this is not a good year for choices. I have always voted Republican, but McCain? I'd rather shoot myself in the foot.
AhHa, DOTL--You and I finally agree on something! Although I do not understand why any Christian would vote for a leftist such as Obama who cares not for the rights of the unborn or the protection of our most fundamental building block of our society instituted by God--marriage between a man and a woman!
AhHa, DOTL--You and I finally agree on something! Although I do not understand why any Christian would vote for a leftist such as Obama who cares not for the rights of the unborn or the protection of our most fundamental building block of our society instituted by God--marriage between a man and a woman!
In Christ, Preterist
Maybe because there are other issues. I believe strongly about abortion and homosexuality but I am not sure I can vote explicitly on those issues in a time when our economy is on the verge of collapse. After 8 years of a Republican President, gay people have marriage in 2 states, civil unions in a handful, and far more social acceptance than they did in 2000. In 2000 we had a record surplus and $1.20 gas. By the time Bush leaves office, will have reached at least $5, we have record deficits, we are in a war based on lies, more and more jobs are being shipped to Asia, and our dollar isn't worth the paper its printed on.
Bush campaigned that he was the 'Christian' choice in both elections, but what exactly has he done for us? I will say he has done far more for Big Oil than he has evangelical Christians.
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Thank God we dodged that bullet!!!
