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Old 07-20-2008, 10:44 PM
 
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Dangers of false teachers:

1. Deception.....................as in following deception/not seeking real truth
2. Division.........................between church, families, etc.
3. Disillusionment................sense of emptiness when not following Christ
4. Danger of falling away......abandoning the faith

1 Timothy 4:1-2
"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons."
"Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron."

5. Destruction....................of families, churches, friends and lives.
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What Cults Do:
Brainwashing
Indoctrination
Demands obedience and makes promises
Isolates people
Almost always involves sex

False teachers divide churches, and are not into bringing anyone into a personal relationship with Christ.
False teachers START churches, with disgruntled and confused non-Christians.
With their lies and deception, they are confessing their own disbelief in the Word of God.
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How to protect from false teachers:

1. Cling to the Word of God, hold fast
2. Study under trustworthy teachers (that don't question the Bible)
3. Be on guard against false doctrines
4. Learn to refute false doctrine
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How to treat false teachers:

2 John 7-8
"Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist."
"Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully."

2 John 10-11 (THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT)
"If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him."
"Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work."

DO NOT TAKE HIM INTO YOUR HOUSE!! This means via in person, television, radio, internet or telephone. Do not let the devil in!!!

God's Word, the Bible, IS THE AUTHORITY.
Speak truth, based on the Word of God.

Foundation of belief system: doctrinal truth
Belief based on "feelings": not a belief system

The paragraph below is an example of false teachings:

These were Jesus final words
John 13:34 A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
John 13:35 By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."

This is what means to be a Christian, everything else is just delusion, so any human being who acts in this way is a Christian, even if he is an atheist, muslim, jew, hindu, etc. Whomever strives his entire life to express virtue in his life will eventually be saved.
The whole deal of burning in hell, is nothing else but the product of unsound perception and lack of mental clarity, and thinking like this only produces suffering and draws people away from God.

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The above is false because it is taught very clearly in the Bible that there is ONE way to the Father God, and that is through His Son Jesus Christ. Jesus died a horrible death on the cross for our sins and to reconcile us to the Father. He is the ONE AND ONLY way, because that is what the Bible says. To say that there is any other way other than Jesus is man-made and false. It is important to know the difference, because as in the example above, scriptures are also quoted but are completely out of context and have nothing to do with salvation.

Acts 4:12
"Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name (Jesus) under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."
John 14:6
"Jesus answered "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

God is VERY REAL.
SO IS SATAN. It doesn't matter what anyone "thinks or "feels".....it's what God's Word says. God's Word (the Bible) is THE authority.
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:14 AM
 
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What is described above is merely an opinion. I am guessing this is from a KJVOnlyism perspective.

1. Deception.....................as in following deception/not seeking real truth (found in most mainstream churches today - aka adhering to non biblical creeds or statement of faiths - manmade)
2. Division.........................between church, families, etc. (What causes divisions? well there are over 37000 demoninations cant all be false teachers, did the reformation not start because of....?)
3. Disillusionment................sense of emptiness when not following Christ (Dunno how this is referred to as a problem - dissillusionment usually comes about when man stops following the preacher and gets into personal study and then discovers what was taught is NOT the truth)
4. Danger of falling away......abandoning the faith (Folk do not abandon the faith, the abandon the system of lies and deception - usually happens when you actually study for yourself)
5. Destruction....................of families, churches, friends and lives. (Maybe DOTL does not read why some folk here have left the system - most if not all atheists grew up in Christian homes)

What Cults Do:
Brainwashing (Church's start very early with Sunday schools)
Indoctrination (ditto)
Demands obedience and makes promises (must tithe, must attend regularly, must get involved with activities - sounds like any average church - Oh promises - if you do the above you will ensure your ticket to the rapture which is a man-made myth)
Isolates people (be ye separate... many Christian churches do not or at least frown upon interaction with other churches - aka unequally yoked and all.. God forbid you mix with anyone from the "world"...)
Almost always involves sex (well Christians do seem to be hung up on other folks sex lives and of course there are absolutely no instances where a pastor has fornicated with either female or male (or both) members of his congregation - this not speaking of the RCC only)

Obviously this cut and paste comes from a very biased perspective and what I see here is a "judge not lest ye be judged, in the same manner in which ye measure it out, it will be measured back unto thee..."


Read this

Recently, we received a copy of the Holy Scriptures produced by the Jewish Publication Society. Of course, being the Jewish Bible, it did not contain the New Testament. In reviewing it, we discovered some interesting things. One shocking observation was discovering hundreds of footnotes as the following: Exact meaning of Hebrew uncertain, syntax of Hebrew unclear, the traditional reading madhebah is of unknown meaning, grammar of Hebrew unclear, meaning of first line uncertain, meaning of verse uncertain in part, force of Hebrew uncertain, construction of the verses uncertain, etc.. This was very shocking. Those of us coming from a conservative Christian background are usually told the Bible is inerrant. The Jews were the guardians of the Old Testament who were extremely diligent to preserve the text that not one jot or tittle was added or removed. Nearly all Christian Bibles rely on the Jewish Masoretic Hebrew text for translating the Old Testament into current languages. How was it possible for the translators to produce an "inerrant" Bible, when the "guardians of the so called 'inerrant' Hebrew text", did not know the meaning of many words and passages?.....(more)



Also read this:

The Spirit of Jesus versus the Cultic Spirit

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. Galatians 5:1

Introduction

There was something about the Spirit of Jesus that brought him into conflict and irreconcilable conflict with Judaism. That we recognize, but what I'm going to suggest is that there is something also about the Spirit of Jesus that is antithetical to the Christian religion.

The Jewish - and the Christian Cult. Jesus was born into a religious cult and was a member of that religious cult. I use the word "cult" in the proper and the technical sense of the word, as used by sociologists or historians and others. The members of the religious cult into which Jesus was born were clearly defined and demarcated from the rest of humanity by the practice of "Torah Piety": piety according to the Law. The three most prominent things which marked off the Jew from the rest of humanity were circumcision, Sabbath keeping, and kosher food. And these things alone—let alone all the other laws made it impossible for Jews to socialize with gentiles. Institutionally and legally, those inside the cult were clearly distinguished from those outside the cult.

We also need to recognize that the followers of Jesus became the Christian "cult." I don’t use the word in a pejorative way, but that is the simple fact of the matter:

Christianity became the Christian cult. Institutionalized... and its members became clearly marked, clearly demarcated legally, behaviorally, religiously—from the rest of humanity. That constitutes a cult.

Now it is true that Christianity has become divided; divided into a number of Christian cults: The Catholic cult. Or the Lutheran cult. The Baptist cult. The Candle Light cult. The Amish cult. Now it’s true that we don’t generally apply the word cult to ourselves. It’s something we like to reserve for others...(more)

In line with this:

New Testament - History and Interpretation

The Distinction, Between History and its Interpretation

The NT authors tell a good news story about Jesus of Nazareth. That good news story is called "the gospel." Like any good story teller, the NT authors don't simply recite the history of Jesus or write up his biography. They invest that history with a certain meaning or interpretation.

This NT blend of history and interpretation helps us to understand why the NT contains diverse or even contradictory accounts of Jesus of Nazareth. It was inevitable that his history came to mean different things to different people. The Palestinian Christians saw him through very Jewish eyes, while the Gentile Christians saw him through the eyes of their culture and world-views. No story teller simply recites history, but he or she will invest that history with the kind of interpretation that brings it alive with meaning for both the story teller and the audience.

The whole point of this discussion is to draw attention to this fundamental distinction between history and its interpretation.

To say that Jesus was put to death on the charges of blasphemy and sedition is history. The matter is open to historical investigation and verification through weight of evidence. This history is not a matter of faith, because the historical fact of his death is something that is generally acknowledged by believer and unbeliever alike.

But to say that Jesus died for our sins, or that he was offered up as some kind of blood atonement for the sins of the world, is an interpretation - the Christian interpretation - of what, on an historical level, appeared as a brutal Roman execution. The interpretation invests the visible historical tragedy with a supra-historical meaning not apparent in the event itself. Instead of seeing just another mundane killing of another innocent man, the Christian interpretation presents to us a drama of enormous cosmic and theological significance.

Unlike the historical event itself, the Christian interpretation of Jesus' death is not open to any kind of historical investigation or verification. It can neither be proved nor disproved. If it could be proved like any other historical event, if would not be an article of faith. The same thing, of course, holds true for claims made about the existence of God, angels, miracles, the after life, the inspiration of the Bible of anything else of a transcendent, supra-historical or theological nature. Demonstrable proof and faith are mutually exclusive.

The same thing holds true for the most important point of the Christian faith, namely, the divinity of Jesus. That Jesus of Nazareth actually lived, said and did a number of impressive things is a matter of history that even Moslems, Hindus like Gandhi, Jews like Buber, and atheists like Jack London find impressive....(more)

Blessings
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:20 AM
 
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Is it possible that if you are living and keeping the first and greatest commandment of love, which fulfills All of the laws and the Prophets, you are saved by the name of Christ the Greatest Prophet of all.

Is not the word written in our hearts?

The name of Jesus is spelt and spoken differently in hundreds of different languages, He also has an unspeakable name.

Do we really believe that He doesn't knock at the door of everyone's soul on earth?

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:34 AM
 
Location: South Africa
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Is it possible that if you are living and keeping the first and greatest commandment of love, which fulfills All of the laws and the Prophets, you are saved by the name of Christ the Greatest Prophet of all.

Is not the word written in our hearts?

The name of Jesus is spelt and spoken differently in hundreds of different languages, He also has an unspeakable name.

Do we really believe that He doesn't knock at the door of everyone's soul on earth?

godspeed,

freedom
Exactly
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Old 07-21-2008, 01:13 AM
 
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DOTL,
Remember, Jesus gives us these word of comfort and encouragement.
John 15:18
"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first."

Luke 10:16
"He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."

John 12:48
"There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day."

In Christ,
Twin
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:34 AM
 
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I guess Christians believe that Matthew 23 and Matthew 5.46-47 does not apply to them?

Quote:
Matthew 5.46-47
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
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Old 07-21-2008, 09:01 AM
 
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DOTL,
Remember, Jesus gives us these word of comfort and encouragement.
John 15:18
"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first."

Luke 10:16
"He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."

John 12:48
"There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day."

In Christ,
Twin
Great scriptures, Twin!! I'm going to quote the ones that you put in your DM....also very good. Love is the driving force behind all of my posts, but sometimes the truth isn't well received.

1 Peter 3:14-16
14 But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. "Do not fear what they fear[a]; do not be frightened."[

15 But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.
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Old 07-21-2008, 09:21 AM
 
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[quote=freedom;4538320]
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Is it possible that if you are living and keeping the first and greatest commandment of love, which fulfills All of the laws and the Prophets, you are saved by the name of Christ the Greatest Prophet of all.
No, it's not possible.

Quote:
Is not the word written in our hearts?
No, it's not if a person has not accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

Quote:
The name of Jesus is spelt and spoken differently in hundreds of different languages, He also has an unspeakable name.
It doesn't matter how His name is spoken....there is only one Jesus. There is ONE God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit and what matters is the acceptance by faith in Jesus Christ as Savior, repentance of our sins which Christ died on the cross for so we could do that, and discerning through the Holy Spirit who is sent to be with us once we accept Christ that the Holy Bible in the inerrant and infallible word of God.

Quote:
Do we really believe that He doesn't knock at the door of everyone's soul on earth?
If He is not accepted in when He knocks, He will eventually stop knocking.
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Old 07-21-2008, 11:24 AM
 
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If He is not accepted in when He knocks, He will eventually stop knocking.
Unbelievable. Oh you and I do not know the same Christ. Regardless, that is your view and if that works for you, fine.

Twin and Day your "Christian" views are heard by me. I understand that you are very passionate about your views. It might be beneficial for you to give others room to express thier truth, rather than chalking it up to "false teachings" because it is not in agreement with your own views. Again, it might be beneficial for YOU, not for me, not for others, for you, do yourselves a big favor and enjoy some peace that comes from acceptance. It will do wonders for your personal growth.

Blessings.
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:03 PM
 
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I accept Jesus as one of my teachers, but my view of him is different, and don't worry twin and day we don't hate you, as true followers of the Christ we love you and understand that you have a different view of the Master

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. Galatians 5:1

Jesus was an Avatar the 'descent' or incarnation of the Supreme Being (God) onto planet Earth.

The Sanskrit word avatāra literally means "descent" (avatarati) and usually implies a deliberate descent into lower realms of existence for special purposes.

Its roots are AVA, "down," and TRI, "to pass." In the Hindu scriptures, AVATARA signifies the descent of Divinity into flesh.

The UPANISHADS have minutely classified every stage of spiritual advancement. A SIDDHA ("perfected being") has progressed from the state of a JIVANMUKTA ("freed while living") to that of a PARAMUKTA ("supremely free"-full power over death); the latter has completely escaped from the mayic thralldom and its reincarnaitional round The PARAMUKTA therefore seldom returns to a physical body; if he does, he is an avatar, a divinely appointed medium of supernal blessings on the world.

An avatar is unsubject to the universal economy; his pure body, visible as a light image, is free from any debt to nature. The casual gaze may see nothing extraordinary in an avatar's form but it casts no shadow nor makes any footprint on the ground. These are outward symbolic proofs of an inward lack of darkness and material bondage. Such a God-man alone knows the Truth behind the relativities of life and death

Christ expressed his freedom in the following way: "And a certain scribe came, and said unto him, Master, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest. And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head."

Spacious with omnipresence, could Christ indeed be followed except in the overarching Spirit?

Babaji, Krishna, Rama, Buddha, and Patanjali were among the ancient Indian avatars. A considerable poetic literature in Tamil has grown up around Agastya, a South Indian avatar. He worked many miracles during the centuries preceding and following the Christian era, and is credited with retaining his physical form even to this day.

The confusion between "Son of man" and "only begotten Son of God" has created much bigotry in the community of churchianity which does not understand or acknowledge the human element in Jesus - that he was a man, born in a mortal body, who had evolved his consciousness to become one with God Himself. Not the body of Jesus but the consciousness within it was one with the only begotten Son, the Christ Consciousness, the only reflection of God the Father in creation. In urging people to believe in the only begotten Son, Jesus was referring to this Christ Consciousness, which was fully manifest within himself and all God-Realized masters throughout the ages, and is latent within every soul. Jesus said that all souls who lift their physical consciousness (Son of man consciousness) to the astral heaven, and then become one with the only begotten Christ intelligence in all creation, will now eternal life.

Does this bible passage mean that all who do not accept or believe in Jesus as their savior will be condemned? This is a dogmatic concept of condemnation. What Jesus meant was that whoever does not realize himself as one with the universal Christ Consciousness is condemned to live and think as a struggling mortal, delimited only by sensory boundaries, because he has essentially disunited himself from the Eternal Principle of life.

Jesus never referred to his Son-of-man consciousness, or to his body, as the only savior throughout all time. Abraham and many others were saved even before Jesus was born. It is a metaphysical error to speak of the historical person of Jesus as the only savior. It is the Christ intelligence that is the universal redeemer. As the sole reflection of the Absolute Spirit (the father) ubiquitous in the world of relativity, the Infinite Christ is the one mediator or link between God and matter through which all matter formed individuals - Irrespective of different castes and creeds - must pass in order to reach God. All souls can free their matter-confined consciousness and plunge it into the vastness of Omnipresence by tuning in with Christ Consciousness.

Jesus said: ¨When ye have lifted up the Son of Man, then shall ye know that I am he.

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