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Old 02-13-2009, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Tulsa
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Originally Posted by Gretchen_SDCA View Post
I am not bitter - I am only calling you on what you wrote in your post. You wrote that he wished you weren't a Christian, so that you could go drinking with him. This, together with your bolded words, seems to suggest that the only thing that is holding all of us away from these things is religion. I find that conceited and untrue. If that's not what you meant to say, then I misread your post.

Finally, I don't see anything bigoted about my post. You may not like my opinion or may disagree with me, but you have not basis for calling my post bigoted.
Well, I'm sorry you took it that way. I was simply telling my story. I have no animosity towards atheists. I believe everyone has a right to believe what they want. Your post sounded like you do have animosity towards Christians, which is why I called it bigoted.

I don't feel in the least that religion is the only thing holding one back from doing those things. I know too many "Christians" that do them to even think that for a minute. I would really like to believe (and do) that not all atheists are scum like my ex husband.
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Old 02-13-2009, 10:02 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Well, I'm sorry you took it that way. I was simply telling my story. I have no animosity towards atheists. I believe everyone has a right to believe what they want. Your post sounded like you do have animosity towards Christians, which is why I called it bigoted.

I don't feel in the least that religion is the only thing holding one back from doing those things. I know too many "Christians" that do them to even think that for a minute. I would really like to believe (and do) that not all atheists are scum like my ex husband.
Thanks, Jamie. We are in complete agreement. I'm sorry if my post came across as having animosity towards Christians. While some groups of Christians do grind on me, I by no means have animosity towards all Christians. Some of my dear friends are Christian.

Anyway, thanks for your post.
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Old 02-13-2009, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Tulsa
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Thanks, Jamie. We are in complete agreement. I'm sorry if my post came across as having animosity towards Christians. While some groups of Christians do grind on me, I by no means have animosity towards all Christians. Some of my dear friends are Christian.

Anyway, thanks for your post.
It's all good, and I can totally understand why some Christians grind on you. My apologies as well, for calling you bigoted.
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Old 02-13-2009, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Default Christian married to a non Christian

I must first assume each person is emotionally healthy.

Both the husband and wife, contain the necessary ingredients for life, Irregardless of what we believe. The person with the greater knowledge or the more convicting message in them, has the "responsibility", to cultivate the relationship.

How come I have to do it?

having more knowledge, understanding, conviction manifests in marriage as Responsibilities. Being responsible is "a" measure of intelligence... and Forest Gump said; stupid is what stupid does.

So how we do dat?

Marriage is first and foremost accountable to God for the Christian and for the non believer to the "relationship". We answer to God, then our marriage then our spouse. If the marriage is a mix of the Abrahamic faiths, there is some common ground.

So how do we answer God or the relationship?

If you think of answers as "existing" waiting to be found... and I believe that they are ... then the questions become more important, because it leads us to the answers... and thereby truth. The questions should follow the marriage hierarchy of : does it please God? does it please the marriage? does it please my spouse? does it please me. Children should be last.... and we all know... they are "unpleasable". If the answers always come out everyone else seems happy, but I'm not.... then you may have the gift of singleness (only kidding) but really... your probably in a seriously damaged relationship or your at the top of the hierarchy... thinking your the one who needs pleasing.

What is truth in marriage?

Truth in marriage is, what we do, what we say, and must conform to in order to serve the marriage. Do it conscientiously, do it lovingly(man) respectfully (woman) and do it willingly. Nothing about happily... 'cause most of us ain't!
Remember ....... motion -produces- emotion ........ not the other way around.

Ok... what about the Christian non Christian marriage.... how does all this irrelevant crap fit my circumstance?

Well..... having been asked that question before.... each of us must be accountable to a higher authority in the marriage or in all likelyhood we will place ourselves there. Our job is to cultivate the marriage, create an enviroment or circumstance which will allow our spouse to flourish. It is not trying to change the seed to be a rose when in fact what we have is a potato. Each of us has a "fruit" we will produce and the evidence of our work is in the health of that fruit. For the Christian in the marriage, we have the higher responsibility, and our belief should NEVER be used to pound into "that thick skull of non belief" for the non Christian. To the non Christian, please understand the awkward, seemingly ungody way we often behave. It is actually born of love, so forgive us. Both must be cultivators, preparing the ground so the other may flourish and together enjoy the fruits of your love.... and yes... a Christian to non Christian CAN WORK!
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Old 02-13-2009, 12:48 PM
 
Location: OK
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Oh yes, because all atheists abuse alcohol, use illegal drugs, and watch porn. What a typical bigoted Christian viewpoint.

As an atheist, I have never done any of the above. Most of the atheist friends I have have never done any of the above. (Other than the occassional glass of wine I enjoy with dinner.) I have Christian friends who have never done this and others who have. It seems to be completely up to the persons. Christians have done horrible things despite their religion, or found some way to justify it by their religion. So, by all means, knock it off with your I'm-better-than-thou attitude.
Bravo!!!!!
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Old 02-13-2009, 04:07 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Bravo!!!!!
In all fairness, I seem to have misinterpreted her initial post. While I have certainly come across Christians who believe that their religion is a NECESSARY element of being a moral person, that does not appear to be Jamie's point of view.
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Old 02-14-2009, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Wherever women are
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There is no evidence of a god. That is why there are atheists.
'course we are in agreement. My assertion is an inherent extension of the basis of your belief system, as the God who does not exist having to advocate against the sins of the world.

I am not sure why you have to quote me in disagreement . Are you confused? lol

You are an atheist. You should not really obsess about God as much as the theists do
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Old 02-14-2009, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Wherever women are
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In all fairness, I seem to have misinterpreted her initial post. While I have certainly come across Christians who believe that their religion is a NECESSARY element of being a moral person, that does not appear to be Jamie's point of view.
Appreciate the honesty

It enforces my opinion that the many atheists I have come across are "very" knee jerk in their reaction and hostility. I sometimes wonder if it's the myriad of insecurities which surrounds their ideology that propel a burning desire to obsessively refute any reference to God around them. For or against, God is an essential part of human life
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