Would you see the Jehovah's witnesses as Christian? (Antichrist, Christ, confess)

[HotinAZ]

Originally Posted by renriq02

again it's talking about CONDEMNING not JUDGING lol

So, this verse is taken out of context, even though it is written in plain easy to read English, and requires no other scripture to support it?? It looks like BOTH words are there,,,judging AND condemning. Or maybe my glasses are foggy or something.

Luk 6:37
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.......

What about the OT verse giving this right to the "judges" of that day? Maybe we live under a New Covenant?

Deu 25:1
If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that [the judges] may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

[renriq02]

Where does it say we're not allowed to judge?

It's telling us what happens when we Judge or Condemn.

Don't put your hands on the fire or else you'll get burned. Commandment or Warning?
Look both ways when crossing the street. Commandment or Warning?
Pray lest ye fall into temptation. Commandment or Warning?

Originally Posted by HotinAZ

So, this verse is taken out of context, even though it is written in plain easy to read English, and requires no other scripture to support it?? It looks like BOTH words are there,,,judging AND condemning. Or maybe my glasses are foggy or something.

Luk 6:37
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.......

What about the OT verse giving this right to the "judges" of that day? Maybe we live under a New Covenant?

Deu 25:1
If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that [the judges] may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

[HotinAZ]

Originally Posted by renriq02

anyways to answer the main question.

NO JW can't be seen as Christians.

They're doctrine is not sound

Then I would argue the logic that ANY Christian who advocates the killing of another man,,for whatever reason imaginable, is not a Christian, because it goes directly AGAINST the teachings and DOCTRINE of Jesus the Christ. And I mean no matter the reason.

So, would that logic hold sound Truth with you???

I mean, if we are "allowed" to judge, then hey,,,let us go all the way. Got any sins you wish to confess from your heart so I can sit on that seat??

Of course i am just kidding, but do you see the logic of what it is that you are saying?

[renriq02]

If it's against the teachings of Jesus Christ then they're not Christians.

Plain and simple.

I confess to God...not to men.

If I was committing sin then I would appreciate someone rebuking me to get back in line.

Originally Posted by HotinAZ

Then I would argue the logic that ANY Christian who advocates the killing of another man,,for whatever reason imaginable, is not a Christian, because it goes directly AGAINST the teachings and DOCTRINE of Jesus the Christ. And I mean no matter the reason.

So, would that logic hold sound Truth with you???

I mean, if we are "allowed" to judge, then hey,,,let us go all the way. Got any sins you wish to confess from your heart so I can sit on that seat??

Of course i am just kidding, but do you see the logic of what it is that you are saying?

[HotinAZ]

Originally Posted by renriq02

Where does it say we're not allowed to judge?

It's telling us what happens when we Judge or Condemn.

Don't put your hands on the fire or else you'll get burned. Commandment or Warning?
Look both ways when crossing the street. Commandment or Warning?
Pray lest ye fall into temptation. Commandment or Warning?

By the same manner you judge, you will be held to that same high standard. You know who stands witness against you? YOU!

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned

Doesn't that sound so much nicer than passing judgments on others? And a warning is not a judgment.

Don't put your hands on the fire or else you'll get burned. Commandment or Warning?

Well, depends on who is saying it. To my kids, it is a commandment. To my neighbor's kids, it is a warning. If they then do it, then judgment has been given, as they are now burned. Do I know condemn them as well, and beat their butts, after judgment has been issued? Or do I show mercy and show them that I told them this out of the Love I have for them?

Interesting analogy to say the least, as it covers all of them.

[renriq02]

it's a warning...not a commandment

Just like Jesus said to pray lest ye fall into temptation.

Are you praying now or are you going to tell me that it's a warning not a commandment.

Originally Posted by HotinAZ

By the same manner you judge, you will be held to that same high standard. You know who stands witness against you? YOU!

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned

Doesn't that sound so much nicer than passing judgments on others? And a warning is not a judgment.





Well, depends on who is saying it. To my kids, it is a commandment. To my neighbor's kids, it is a warning. If they then do it, then judgment has been given, as they are now burned. Do I know condemn them as well, and beat their butts, after judgment has been issued? Or do I show mercy and show them that I told them this out of the Love I have for them?

Interesting analogy to say the least, as it covers all of them.

[renriq02]

The word 'judge' or krinō has different meanings.

It looks like it would mean 2.

God doesn't want use to have preference for different people.


κρίνω

1) to separate, put asunder, to pick out, select, choose
2) to approve, esteem, to prefer
3) to be of opinion, deem, think, to be of opinion
4) to determine, resolve, decree
5) to judge

[HotinAZ]

Originally Posted by renriq02

If it's against the teachings of Jesus Christ then they're not Christians.

Plain and simple.

I confess to God...not to men.

If I was committing sin then I would appreciate someone rebuking me to get back in line.

So rebuke is now judgment? I think not.

Luk 17:3
"Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him."

I didn't see anything that was judgment or condemnation. Rebuke is a reproof or to straighten out. I would hope someone does that to me when I fall.

But this isn't what we are talking about. We are talking about whether an entire class of people who worship God(although differently) are actually God's People, and passing this judgment upon them. That isn't a rebuke, that is a judgment.

[HotinAZ]

Originally Posted by renriq02

The word 'judge' or krinō has different meanings.

It looks like it would mean 2.

God doesn't want use to have preference for different people.


κρίνω

1) to separate, put asunder, to pick out, select, choose
2) to approve, esteem, to prefer
3) to be of opinion, deem, think, to be of opinion
4) to determine, resolve, decree
5) to judge

But isn't that what you are doing by separating an entire denomination of people? Is sure sounds like it to me, by calling them non Christians.

This is no different than what some denominations do to the Catholics.

[renriq02]

Well you would need to pass judgement to determine if your brother sinned.

Have you not been reading this whole thread?

JW follow a different doctrine which is sin.

We must rebuke them to straighten them out.

Originally Posted by HotinAZ

So rebuke is now judgment? I think not.

Luk 17:3
"Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him."

I didn't see anything that was judgment or condemnation. Rebuke is a reproof or to straighten out. I would hope someone does that to me when I fall.

But this isn't what we are talking about. We are talking about whether an entire class of people who worship God(although differently) are actually God's People, and passing this judgment upon them. That isn't a rebuke, that is a judgment.