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Is it showing the love of Christ to allow you to spew the exact opposite of what Christians believe in a Christian forum?
Maybe they will start a JW forum eh?
This IS a Christian forum, hence how I know what is promoted here even if I've never posted. I've been on Christian forums/threads before.
Cults who try to align themselves with Gods Children will pay for their sins. You know better than to do this
If some group calls themselves "christians" then so be it. Those who come across them should be able to decide for themselves if that LABEL is true.
Far be it from me to suggest there are people in mainstream and mega churches that claim to be christian and are farther from Christ than any other "churches" on the planet.
And can we stop with the hell fire and damnation threats and "PAYING FOR THEIR SINS" whining?
Everything one says can be repeated right back at the speaker with every bit of sincerity.
You have no clue. Jehovah's Witnesses will disfellowship anyone who gets drunk regularly or smokes (drug use) IF they show no repentance AFTER being helped to see the problem. They obey god, not man, so if you mean a "cult" is one who obeys God, then OK.
The man who is disfellowshipped has chosen to be, so he hurts his own family.
God did tell all Christians.
(1 Corinthians 5:11) But now I am writing you to stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.
(2 Thessalonians 3:6) Now we are giving you instructions, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to withdraw from every brother who is walking disorderly and not according to the tradition that you received from us.
(2 Thessalonians 3:14) But if anyone is not obedient to our word through this letter, keep this one marked and stop associating with him, so that he may become ashamed.
Real Christians do as told, knowing it is to help the sinner see how bad he has become and protect the congregation against corruption and ... protect God's and His Sons names as such ones are used to show how bad "believers" are by throe who oppose Christianity.
Remember NO one is disfellowshipped by Jehovah's Witnesses who is repentant. They in effect chose to leave, even if it hurts their family. Very selfish people.
I read these as YOU are the one to leave, rather than KICK them to the curb. If we kick someone to the curb, we are basically saying that person is WORTHLESS, BEYOND SALVATION and NOT WORTH OUR TIME (LET ALONE THE ATTENTION O CHRIST)
I read these as saying, we should not "hang" out with or socialize (out side of the church).
I just do not see the TOSS THE SINNER to the wolves in these passages....
If some group calls themselves "christians" then so be it. Those who come across them should be able to decide for themselves if that LABEL is true.
Far be it from me to suggest there are people in mainstream and mega churches that claim to be christian and are farther from Christ than any other "churches" on the planet.
And can we stop with the hell fire and damnation threats and "PAYING FOR THEIR SINS" whining?
Everything one says can be repeated right back at the speaker with every bit of sincerity.
Um....and we can stop whining about those that whine?? Hell is real or maybe that is part of the debate.
I never suggested some people in mainstream mega churches weren't Christian, you did.
Not that I disagree. We don't have mainstream Christian churches debating over the word "Christian"
Honestly, until now, I've not been on a message board which was ever confused about that definition
Um....and we can stop whining about those that whine?? Hell is real or maybe that is part of the debate.
I never suggested some people in mainstream mega churches weren't Christian, you did.
Not that I disagree. We don't have mainstream Christian churches debating over the word "Christian"
Honestly, until now, I've not been on a message board which was ever confused about that definition
We can move on... nice to meet you, by the way
Yes I did.
Move on, just quit using hell as leverage to convert people to evangelicalism?
Faith in God has to be made by FREEWILL not out of coercion or promise of some reward(s)
I read these as YOU are the one to leave, rather than KICK them to the curb. If we kick someone to the curb, we are basically saying that person is WORTHLESS, BEYOND SALVATION and NOT WORTH OUR TIME (LET ALONE THE ATTENTION O CHRIST)
I read these as saying, we should not "hang" out with or socialize (out side of the church).
I just do not see the TOSS THE SINNER to the wolves in these passages....
You are right an Jehovah's Witnesses do not kick them to the curb. They simply do not associate with them, as you note.
Now as to toss them to the wolves, note Paul's comment.
1 Corinthians 5:1 KJV 1 Corinthians 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
OK a sinner who did NOT repent.
1 Corinthians 5:5 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Yep let them live with the wolf if that is what THEY want, so that they "may" see how foolish it is.
1 Corinthians 5:11 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
Now how successful was this treatment in this man's case? Did not associating with him, identifying him as an unrepentant sinner, etc do any good?
Yep as about 6 months later:
.2 Corinthians 2:6-8 6 Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many. {punishment: or, censure} 7 So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. 8 Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm your love toward him.
The man repented, changed and was welcomed back. That is how it is to work IF the unrepentant sinner ... repents and changes. If not they are choosing to stay away and living with the .......... wolf.
This is what Jehovah;s Witnesses do today. They obey and follow Scriptural direction from God.
It is for the good of the person not their harm. It is needed discipline to get them to see how serious their actions are.
No one says they are worthless, their actions are simply BAD. Jehovah's Witnesses even call on such ones every year to see if they can be helped. They will help one in need if they see it. They will help if they change and want to return to association.
The disfellowshipped one is the one who leaves, because such is still welcome to come to their meetings and receive the study literature, etc. It is association on a personal level, they are NEVER told "do not come".
Guess you know all too well what I think of Paul the heretic. So I am not impressed by anything he is given credit for writing--well 90% of what they claim he wrote.
PS..I kept coming back until the Kingdom Hall escorted me out the door...so YES, they do toss their members and others to the wolves unceremoniously...H O W L.......
Guess you know all too well what I think of Paul the heretic. So I am not impressed by anything he is given credit for writing--well 90% of what they claim he wrote.
PS..I kept coming back until the Kingdom Hall escorted me out the door...so YES, they do toss their members and others to the wolves unceremoniously...H O W L.......
Only if you were disruptive would you be escorted out.
Yes I did.
Move on, just quit using hell as leverage to convert people to evangelicalism?
Faith in God has to be made by FREEWILL not out of coercion or promise of some reward(s)
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Interesting spin on the scriptures. Tell me how that works out for you.
It says something quite unsavory about human nature that a belief system based on a Godfather approach has lasted into the 21st century . . . an offer that cannot be refused . . . or else! It is astounding how many people actually think such a God is Holy and worthy of love. I weep for humanity.
It says something quite unsavory about human nature that a belief system based on a Godfather approach has lasted into the 21st century . . . an offer that cannot be refused . . . or else! It is astounding how many people actually think such a God is Holy and worthy of love. I weep for humanity.
Yeah, I sometimes think this way too. My problem is I believe it is true thus we have no choice. if I am wrong, well I suppose that is good but it sure doesn't seem that is the case. Considering we have Intelligent design, a creator and his creation, right in front of us.
Sure can relate though...
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Hell is real or maybe that is part of the debate.
nice to meet you, by the way
