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Old 12-28-2008, 12:57 PM
 
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Lol, i always get a kick out of these rapture and left behind posts. Such a new doctrine entrapping millions of believers.
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Old 12-28-2008, 01:00 PM
 
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Yeah, you're so predictable in your arguments. I can name one period in the last 60 years where the all time "super sign" was fulfilled, and that super sign was the re-establishment of Israel as a nation.

So hmmmmm......let's see......what nation is it that just went to war YESTERDAY??? And what is God's number of fulfillment??? SEVEN.
What decade are we in past 1948? SEVENTH.
How long is the tribulation? SEVEN YEARS.
What week are we in according to Daniel? SEVENTIETH.
How long did it take for creation? SEVEN DAYS.
The millenial reign of 1000 years is the SEVENTH 1000 years since creation, which we happen to have just entered or are about to. No one knows when exactly because of the discrepancy in the calendar years...I think you can see how important SEVEN is in prophecy and fulfillment of such.

Watch and see how the USA won't even exist to be ABLE to protect Israel. God will supernaturally protect His people and land, and He certainly doesn't need the USA or any other country He created for that.

Deny or accept, your assessment and belief has no bearing on God's plan.

Luke 21:28
And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

You did not answer the question and I made it easy.

When in the last TWO HUNDRED years were there no wars?

The answer is never.

The folk in 1917 odd thought it was the end same for the WWII, same for Gulf War 1 and 2 and now this new skirmish which BTW has been going on since Jan 2008.

On another site, they informed me that the USA do not get the same news channels we do and maybe that is why.

I do not have objections to your beliefs but since I do not agree with them I will challenge them.

As for Israel, if you study their history, since 1948 there never really has been any peace but you will probably need to source your info from non apologist sites that simply report the facts or if you so choose look at Jews against Zionism.

The Zionist atrocities go back much further than you think and were complicit with Hitler in the holocaust.
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Old 12-28-2008, 01:04 PM
 
Location: South Africa
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EXACTLY! The countdown has already begun, Jesus could come today.

Supplying them with weapons to protect themselves?
OK for a supernatural defense, let the USA stop supporting Israel immediately financially and militarily.
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Old 12-28-2008, 01:40 PM
 
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OK for a supernatural defense, let the USA stop supporting Israel immediately financially and militarily.
That would not be wise and OFF TOPIC
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Old 12-28-2008, 03:06 PM
 
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I couldn't care less, if you want it then it's yours. But you may have to fight the other milliions of people left behind for it. Oh, and make quick enjoyment of it cause in 7 years you'll have nothing except singed hair, fire and brimstone. Quite the trade off for some earthly possessions.
Thank you. Do you have a grill?
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Old 12-28-2008, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Oxford, OH
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Well and it is not just one sign. There are tons of signs, disobedient children, misuse of drugs, strange weather patterns, etc. And really all of those are in the works. Isreal was the big one in '46 but the bible says the end will come like birth pangs upon a women and they will not escape. I take that to mean that things will get progressively worse and intense. But who knows it may be another 50 years...only God knows the time and the place things will happen. He has the perfect plan.
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Old 12-28-2008, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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This is an interesting thread considering the misinformation the world uses to try and cover up fullfilled prophecy.

Like has been pointed out, things have gotten worse since 1948. FACT.

Now others have added to the proclimation and given some intriguing. I like the references to all the sevens.

Now we can interprit the scriptures in many ways. Pre trib to Post trib. But the part about wars and rumors of wars can only be for now considering that the world is at war on many levels and thanks to the media and the liberal spin doctors Israel is doing war with Palestine, while the world says Palestine has done no wrong and Israel declares Hamas(the governing body of Paletine) attacked first. Therefore fulfilling the rumors of wars portion. Now the entire world is not completely at war physically but war has been declared from all side pretty much encompassing the world.

Now there are other ways the wars and rumors of wars can be described; Look at the gangs and gang violence around the world. Look at the wars between faiths and nationalities. We are at a point in this world that has never been seen, even at the time of Noah.

The world is going to hell and all we can do is watch and wait. I hope the pre tribers are right and we are raptured before the tribulation because things can get worse than they are. In my town we are actually at peace with one another, no gang fights, no militery dominance, and the police are friendly even to the criminals. So as I said things can get worse than they are.

As for others wanting others worldly goods, it doesnt matter sence the owners will be gone.
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Old 12-28-2008, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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Well and it is not just one sign. There are tons of signs, disobedient children, misuse of drugs, strange weather patterns, etc. And really all of those are in the works. Isreal was the big one in '46 but the bible says the end will come like birth pangs upon a women and they will not escape. I take that to mean that things will get progressively worse and intense. But who knows it may be another 50 years...only God knows the time and the place things will happen. He has the perfect plan.
I like your points. Some people are trying to profit off of such things as global warming which is a great sign of the end times but most reject as manmade disasters and having nothing to do with the Bible prophecies. The same is said for Israel becoming a nation again because man caused it it has nothing to do with the Bible. There are tons of signs pointing to the endtimes and tons of alternative excuses for the fulfillment of these signs. If the rapture occures before the tribulation there will be plenty of excuses for it as well and none of them will be the Bible.
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Old 12-28-2008, 07:26 PM
 
Location: SC Foothills
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You did not answer the question and I made it easy.

When in the last TWO HUNDRED years were there no wars?

The answer is never.

The folk in 1917 odd thought it was the end same for the WWII, same for Gulf War 1 and 2 and now this new skirmish which BTW has been going on since Jan 2008.

On another site, they informed me that the USA do not get the same news channels we do and maybe that is why.

I do not have objections to your beliefs but since I do not agree with them I will challenge them.

As for Israel, if you study their history, since 1948 there never really has been any peace but you will probably need to source your info from non apologist sites that simply report the facts or if you so choose look at Jews against Zionism.

The Zionist atrocities go back much further than you think and were complicit with Hitler in the holocaust.
I don't need to answer the question, because it's a non-issue. Yes, there have been wars since the beginning of time. That's not the issue. The issue is when these wars and rumors of wars are taking place, and where. Let me repeat what I said in an earlier post.

"So hmmmmm......let's see......what nation is it that just went to war YESTERDAY??? And what is God's number of fulfillment??? SEVEN.
What decade are we in past 1948? SEVENTH.
How long is the tribulation? SEVEN YEARS.
What week are we in according to Daniel? SEVENTIETH.
How long did it take for creation? SEVEN DAYS.
The millenial reign of 1000 years is the SEVENTH 1000 years since creation, which we happen to have just entered or are about to. No one knows when exactly because of the discrepancy in the calendar years...I think you can see how important SEVEN is in prophecy and fulfillment of such.

Watch and see how the USA won't even exist to be ABLE to protect Israel. God will supernaturally protect His people and land, and He certainly doesn't need the USA or any other country He created for that.

Deny or accept, your assessment and belief has no bearing on God's plan."

Luke 21:28
And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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Old 12-28-2008, 07:41 PM
 
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Matthew 24:6
You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.

Mark 13:7
When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.

Today there were retaliations from Israel on the Gaza Strip and we all know how important Israel is to end time prophecy. The clock started ticking today.....

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You want to know just how important Israel is???? Watch and see how God supernaturally protects Israel during the coming months.
The Little Horn, The son of perdition. Transformed into a man or into mens of on ungodly "Perdition" Part 1 "Israel"
Israel - Palestinian,
.................................................. ..............................There are seven signs before Christ return............................................ .................................................. .....
.................................................. ........................................The coming of the Anti -Christ............................................ .................................................. ................
Revelation 20: He must be loosed a little season.
And marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.His mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon (Satan) gave him, (His Son)his power, and his seat, and great authority, Transformed into man, ( Or Men) of sin be revealed, angel of light, the son of perdition.
Behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. (A Great politician, little horn, or ungodly Men that fall into Perdition, faults Profits, Minister of Rightousness)
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
............................... .................................................. ..................................The Little Horn.............................................. .................................................. .....................................
Daniel 7: 2- 8 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
Revelation 13: And I saw one of his heads as it was wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.
And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
.............................................................. .................................................. .............................Daniel Vsion............................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...................
Daniel 8:I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai.
behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.
I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.
And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. And he came to the ram that had twohorns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.
[And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.
Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great hornwas broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
Daniel 8: I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.
And I heard a man’s voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.
And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
And the rough goat is theking of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
[And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.
And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king’s business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.
Revelation 17:And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Second Thessalonians 2:3and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (Little Horn)
Revelation 13:2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
These have one mind, and shall give theirpower and strength unto the beast.
Theseshall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the ***** sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the *****, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
Revelation 6:And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
Jeremiah 1: 10See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.
I see a rod of an almond tree.
Then said the LORD unto me, Thou hast well seen: for I will hasten my word to perform it.
And the word of the LORD came unto me the second time, saying, What seest thou? And I said, I see a seething pot; and the face thereof is toward the north.
Then the LORD said unto me, Out of the north an evil shall break forth upon all the inhabitants of the land.
For, lo, I will call all the families of the kingdoms of the north, saith the LORD; and they shall come, and they shall set every one his throne at the entering of the gates of Jerusalem, and against all the walls thereof round about, and against all the cities of Judah.
And I will utter my judgments against them touching all their wickedness, who have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, and worshipped the works of, their own hands.
Revelation 13:1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
And I saw one of his heads as it was wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? Who is able to make war with him?
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
If any man have an ear, let him hear.
He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

.....................................................................The rebuilding of the temple of Israel............................................ .................................................. ..................

Israel - Palestinian, peace Treaty for seven years, it will last for three and half years, only. But in the middle of the week (3 ½ years) He, (Satan) shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abomination shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.”

First Peter 4:17 For the time for Judgment have begin from the house of God, and if first from us what the end of then, that do not obey the Gospel of God.
Symbol of the Bonds and Yokes: Jeremiah 27
Porclamation Against Babylon: Isaiah 13:
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