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Old 12-29-2008, 12:45 AM
 
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There were wars and rumors of wars, there were scoffers and unbelievers, yet the "flood" took them. As it was in the beginning, so shall it be in the end................
And the flood is a myth - you obviously have not been following the dialogue I have been having with Campbell.

But anyway think about it, as it was in the days of Noah, if the flood was to be likened to the rapture, who was taken and who was left behind. You even said it in your own words highlighted above.

Seems the wicked were all wiped out in one foul swoop thus they were in effect "raptured" Noah and Co got to stay on earth - they were the left behinds.

Needless to say, there was never a global flood because there is too much evidence against it being plausible other than something localized or a myth at best. Folks back then worldview was very localized and probably all thought the earth was flat.

The story of the Ark does NOT prove the rapture and no I am not scoffing, I challenge with facts.

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Just in case: Post-Rapture Survival Guide (http://www.rapturealert.com/postraptureguide.html - broken link) What you may need to know.

Educate yourself all over again.
Will not need it - It is appointed once for man to die and then the judgment.



Off topic.

Wrt to the RFID chip, it can only work as a bracelet which has battery power to make it monitorable from satellites or say a cell phone network in triangulation.

Don't believe what you see in spy movies as plausibility for satellite monitoring - that is sci-fi. If that were so, you would not need such a big unit as a GPS device found in some cars.

The chips used in animals can only be scanned max of 150 yards, the ones on the collars can be monitored by satellite or cell phone networks because they have active transmitters not passive as the implanted one that responds to RF almost like a radar works, if scanned, a coil generates a charge that fires a transmit form the chip.

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Old 12-29-2008, 12:55 AM
 
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Read some of it, doesn't burst my bubble. It doesn't matter if you are pre, post or none at all. It is not essential even though the guy in the article said, some Christians say, you have to believe in order to be saved. I have yet to meet any such Christian?

(1 Corinthians 15:50–54) I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last...

(1 Corinthians 15:51–52) 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
You just glazed it - your sound byte doctrine is what makes you tick, there is no way you could have read it all in such a short time, the mystery babylon also opens doors you may be unaware of and that will take at least 2-3 hours. You will be surprised to find out what mystery babylon is.

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Didn't Paul have to tell the people not to wait for the Kingdom of God but to go about their business?
What did Jesus say of the kingdom? That is where you find the clue. The kingdom is already here and is spiritual. Of His kingdom there is no end.

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you have to believe in order to be saved. I have yet to meet any such Christian
You really want me to post scripture that supports that? Thomas ring any bells?
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Old 12-29-2008, 01:31 AM
 
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Matthew 24:6
You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.

Mark 13:7
When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.

Today there were retaliations from Israel on the Gaza Strip and we all know how important Israel is to end time prophecy. The clock started ticking today.....

Welcome to Charter.net - Video

You want to know just how important Israel is???? Watch and see how God supernaturally protects Israel during the coming months.
Such as it should be.

One thing's for certain (after having read this post) there won't be allot of people in the afterlife.

"Only a few will enter the kingdom of heaven."

And---you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink...
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Old 12-29-2008, 01:39 AM
 
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And the flood is a myth -
Would you document that for me, cause I am most interested? Cause last I heard they have found pieces of Noah's Ark, on some mountain top some where. The one that has the highest peak??? I'm thinking.

Don't give me anything out of christian science or off of You Tube either.
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Old 12-29-2008, 01:40 AM
 
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The Little Horn, The son of perdition. Transformed into a man or into mens of on ungodly "Perdition" Part 1 "Israel"
Israel - Palestinian,
.................................................. ..............................There are seven signs before Christ return............................................ .................................................. .....
.................................................. ........................................The coming of the Anti -Christ............................................ .................................................. ................
Revelation 20: He must be loosed a little season.
And marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.His mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon (Satan) gave him, (His Son)his power, and his seat, and great authority, Transformed into man, ( Or Men) of sin be revealed, angel of light, the son of perdition.
Behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. (A Great politician, little horn, or ungodly Men that fall into Perdition, faults Profits, Minister of Rightousness)
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
............................... .................................................. ..................................The Little Horn.............................................. .................................................. .....................................
Daniel 7: 2- 8 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
Revelation 13: And I saw one of his heads as it was wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.
And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
.............................................................. .................................................. .............................Daniel Vsion............................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...................
Daniel 8:I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai.
behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.
I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.
And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. And he came to the ram that had twohorns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.
[And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.
Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great hornwas broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
Daniel 8: I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.
And I heard a man’s voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.
And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
And the rough goat is theking of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
[And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.
And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king’s business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.
Revelation 17:And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Second Thessalonians 2:3and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (Little Horn)
Revelation 13:2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
These have one mind, and shall give theirpower and strength unto the beast.
Theseshall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the ***** sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the *****, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
Revelation 6:And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
Jeremiah 1: 10See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.
I see a rod of an almond tree.
Then said the LORD unto me, Thou hast well seen: for I will hasten my word to perform it.
And the word of the LORD came unto me the second time, saying, What seest thou? And I said, I see a seething pot; and the face thereof is toward the north.
Then the LORD said unto me, Out of the north an evil shall break forth upon all the inhabitants of the land.
For, lo, I will call all the families of the kingdoms of the north, saith the LORD; and they shall come, and they shall set every one his throne at the entering of the gates of Jerusalem, and against all the walls thereof round about, and against all the cities of Judah.
And I will utter my judgments against them touching all their wickedness, who have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, and worshipped the works of, their own hands.
Revelation 13:1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
And I saw one of his heads as it was wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? Who is able to make war with him?
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
If any man have an ear, let him hear.
He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

.....................................................................The rebuilding of the temple of Israel............................................ .................................................. ..................

Israel - Palestinian, peace Treaty for seven years, it will last for three and half years, only. But in the middle of the week (3 ½ years) He, (Satan) shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abomination shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.”

First Peter 4:17 For the time for Judgment have begin from the house of God, and if first from us what the end of then, that do not obey the Gospel of God.
Symbol of the Bonds and Yokes: Jeremiah 27
Porclamation Against Babylon: Isaiah 13:
..."...and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is, And here is the mind which hath wisdom...If any man have an ear, let him hear...The Lord is speaking very loudly..no longer a whisper! And ye shall know the signs!! Look up BELIEVERS, for your redemption draweth nigh!!! It has begun!! Man!! This is awesome!!
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Old 12-29-2008, 01:46 AM
 
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Would you document that for me, cause I am most interested? Cause last I heard they have found pieces of Noah's Ark, on some mountain top some where. The one that has the highest peak??? I'm thinking.

Don't give me anything out of christian science or off of You Tube either.
Hello actonbell!......That would be mount Aramis, I do believe!...Love...and also there is a layer of sedement rock that goes all across the land from one end of the earth to the other that prooves there was indeed a flood all over the earth!!
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:13 AM
 
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Would you document that for me, cause I am most interested? Cause last I heard they have found pieces of Noah's Ark, on some mountain top some where. The one that has the highest peak??? I'm thinking.

Don't give me anything out of christian science or off of You Tube either.
There is no wood. the guy that claimed it came from the Ark (mount Ararat in Turkey) was exposed by a guide who stated he hauled it up with him the previous climb.

Read all the ark threads in R&P - I have posted a lot there.

BTW - only evangelical sites are the ones claiming the Ark exists, there is a second location also in Turkey.
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Old 12-29-2008, 03:41 AM
 
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There is no wood. the guy that claimed it came from the Ark (mount Ararat in Turkey) was exposed by a guide who stated he hauled it up with him the previous climb.

Read all the ark threads in R&P - I have posted a lot there.

BTW - only evangelical sites are the ones claiming the Ark exists, there is a second location also in Turkey.
Very good points. I've stayed away from these arguement threads on this very subject of Noah's Ark, Creationism and so forth, because it pits fables/mythology against pseudo science.

The point you just made about the Ark fraud is equally so with some scientists creating fraud by contructing neaderthal fossils in the past. People have to remember, that for both sides and their inner circles, there is alot of "Fame, Glitter and Glory" to be had by people from within both worlds.

I think the bottomline is that, let's say for the sake of arguement, the actual Noah's Ark was found, and evidence and proof beyond a shadow of a doubt. It would'nt make more believers out of mankind any more than did Jesus performing miracles before the Jews very eyes and people then still not believing. In fact there was one account of the Jewish clergy conspiring to kill not only Jesus on account of resurrecting Lazurus, but also wanting to do away with Lazarus because he was the evidence.

However, if the purpose is to merely debate, then by all means go for it.
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Old 12-29-2008, 08:15 AM
 
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I never studied in a group, I have always gone solo
And there you have it. What's wrong with this proclamation? Or the whole post for that matter? Where is the Holy Spirit in your equation?

You have relied on self, not God. You have decided what you want to believe, not what the Bible actually teaches.

2 Corinthians 11:17
In this self-confident boasting I am not talking as the Lord would, but as a fool.

John 14:26
But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
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Old 12-29-2008, 08:25 AM
 
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The bible is an assemblage of writings from various people who wrote down their interpretation of what was happening in their society, and these people also catalogued the results of human nature good and bad. It is a book like many other books that simply instructs people to live and operate from the quality of love. Therefore, the experiences that we create today will naturally appear to be prophecy especially when compared to those who prophosized, based on what they have seen of human nature in their period. It does not take a genius to make an estimated prognostication of the future, from observations we make of this modern world. If we understand the laws that govern the limits and freedom of human nature then we will acquire the ability to see that life is a circle that is always turning. and so everything will inevitably occasion again. Some people like to mystify and spirtualize the whole aspect of prophecy, but it is a natural phenomena.
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