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He is not man that he should repent...Unfortunately for you G-d gave me a brain and the skills to use it...You seem to be a psychological bully, or at least you try to be...
What God gave me is a heart for Him and a mind to obey Him………… I belive He gave the same heart and mind to many of the Jewish leaders but something went wrong downhill from there. Eveytime you turn around you can read in the Bible where either their own leaders were admonishing them or God was punishing them for their rebellion against Him
If you would obey Him you would follow the same instructions of His for determining the truth that I do, that Jesus used, and the apostles followed
The good news for you is, eventually everyone gets it right………… except that it is each man in his ownn
order
1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming
The breath of life within this body became who you are, which is a living soul.
And with the Spirits guidance, I am able to think rationally having a sound mind.
Love is also a noun and it comes by doing - not merely believing.
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Originally Posted by Livelystone
No
The breath of Life given to man is in the Holy Spirit of God that is the "breath of God". When Jesus breathed unto those whom He did, He said "receive you the Holy Ghost".
John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
The soul is a "spiritual entity" but it is not the spirit of the person that gives the life
Only the male "spirit" gives life and not the female soul (that is the mind will and emotions ) that comes from the male in the same way that Eve came from Adam
You say (or heard it said) that something must be imputed.
But I say, "you are already in possession of it."
What God gave me is a heart for Him and a mind to obey Him………… I belive He gave the same heart and mind to many of the Jewish leaders but something went wrong downhill from there. Eveytime you turn around you can read in the Bible where either their own leaders were admonishing them or God was punishing them for their rebellion against Him
If you would obey Him you would follow the same instructions of His for determining the truth that I do, that Jesus used, and the apostles followed
The good news for you is, eventually everyone gets it right………… except that it is each man in his ownn
order
1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming
I do follow Him...He gave us His Torah...He told us what to do and what not to do...
So according to you God did not have to send His Son to become the passover lamb for our sin?
And by the same doctrine believed in by you ……………. Jesus did not have to die, and His death, and subsequent resurrection never had to happen?
IN SHORT... What, EXACTLY does Gd say about human sacrifice in the Tanakh, the Hebrew Bible? In Deuteronomy 12:30-31, Gd calls human sacrifice something that He hates, and an abomination to Him, 'for every abomination to the Etrnl, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.' In Jeremiah 19:4-6, Gd tells us that human sacrifice is so horrible a concept to Him, that it did not even come into His mind to demand it from His creation, 'They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind.' We see the same thing in Psalm 106:37-38, and in Ezekiel 16:20. This teaches that Gd would not accept Jesus' death on the cross as a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. The very idea of that Gd would accept a human sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins is unbiblical.
- What Jews Believe: Essay #4: Gd Hates Human Sacrifice
IN SHORT... The Bible is clear, and it is consistent: one person cannot die for the sins of another. In other words, the sins committed by one person cannot be wiped out by the punishment given to another. In Exodus 32:30-35, Moses asks Gd to punish him for the sin committed by the people in regards to the Golden Calf. Gd tells Moses that the person who committed the sin is the one who must receive the punishment. Then, in Deuteronomy 24:16, Gd simply states this as a basic principle, 'Every man shall be put to death for his own sin.' This concept is repeated in the Prophets, in Ezekiel 18: 'The soul that sinneth, it shall die... the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.' The prophet Jeremiah looks to the day when the mistaken belief that one man's death atones for another man's sins shall no longer be held by anyone: in Jeremiah 31:29-30, the prophet says: 'In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.'
- What Jews Believe: Essay #1: No Vicarious Atonement
IN SHORT... If a person believes that a blood sacrifice were necessary in order for Gd to forgive human sin, then that person forgot to study the Five Books of Moses. Even a single example where Gd forgave without a blood sacrifice would prove that this idea is unbiblical. There are many such examples, but the most interesting is found in the Book of Leviticus. The reason this is so interesting is that it appears right in the middle of the discussion of sin sacrifices. In Leviticus 5:11-13, it states, 'If, however, he cannot afford two doves or two young pigeons, he is to bring as an offering for his sin a tenth of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering.' In Jonah 3:10, we also see that one does not need a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. There, the Bible simply states that Gd saw the works of the people of Niniveh. Specifically it says that these works consisted of abandoning their evil ways, and because they did, Gd forgave them. There are many other examples. Therefore, as was stated earlier, the idea that one needs a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins is unbiblical.
- What Jews Believe: Essay #2: Blood Sacrifice Unnecessary
IN SHORT... Jews do not believe in the existence of Original Sin. The concept of Original Sin states simply that because Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden, they brought Death into the world. In this view, every human being dies because the origin of the human race was tainted with sin: Adam and Eve committed a sin, all humans bear guilt of that sin, and are therefore punished with death. However, the Bible describes something entirely different. Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden of Eden because if they remained, they could eat the fruit of the Tree of Life, which would make them immortal. If Adam and Eve had to eat the fruit of the Tree of Life to become immortal, then they were created mortal. They did not bring Death into the world, and we do not die because they sinned. The first essay on this website explains how, in the view of the Bible, one person cannot die as a punishment for the sins committed by another. We die because Death is a natural part of existence, and has been from the moment the first human beings were created. This explains why, before Adam and Eve ate the fruit from The Tree of The Knowledge of Good And Evil, Gd told the animals to be fruitful and to multiply, since they needed to replace themselves. Gd also said the same thing to Adam and Eve before they ate that fruit as well.
- What Jews Believe: Essay #5: No Original Sin
IN SHORT... Most Christians identify the messiah with Jesus, define him as Gd incarnate, and believe he died for the sins of humanity as a blood sacrifice. This requires that one accept the concept of vicarious atonement. However, as was illustrated and explained in the essay "One person cannot die for the sins of another," this idea is the opposite from what is written in Deuteronomy 24:16, 'Every man shall be put to death for his own sin' -- also expressed in Exodus 32:30-35 and Ezekiel 18. The mainstream Christian idea of the messiah also assumes that Gd wants and will accept a human sacrifice. After all, it was either Jesus-the-human or Jesus-the-divine who died on the cross. Jews, and presumably, Christians as well, believe that Gd cannot die, and so all that Christians are left with, in the death of Jesus on the cross, is a human sacrifice. However, in Deuteronomy 12:30-31, Gd calls human sacrifice an abomination, and something He hates: 'for every abomination to the Etrnl, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.' All human beings are sons or daughters, and any sacrifice to Gd of any human being would be something that Gd would hate. Therefore, the Christian conception of the messiah consists of ideas that are unbiblical.
- What Jews Believe: Essay #3: Jesus Not the Messiah
IN SHORT... For Jews, anything that even remotely conflicts with the idea that Gd is One and Indivisible will be rejected out of hand because it precludes true pure monotheism. The idea that there is a Gd in heaven above who fights against a god of the underworld, or of hell, is not monotheism. It is, however, the same duality found in other pagan faiths. The Bible speaks of a character known as The Satan, who acts like a prosecuting attorney, or a district attorney, in Gd's court. However, The Satan has no power or authority in and of himself, rather he must get permission from the Judge, Gd, to do anything.
- What Jews Believe: Essay #7: Satan Not Devil
IN SHORT... It is the hallmark of idolatrous faiths to confuse Gd with human beings: either that Gd becomes human, or that humans become Gd. In biblical history, one sees this confusion with Pharaoh, and with Haman (boo, hiss!), as well as with Antiochus, the Assyrian King against whom the Maccabees rebelled. Contrary to pagan thought, throughout the Bible we are taught not to confuse Gd and Man. For example, in Hosea 11:9, Gd explicitly tells us, '...for I am Gd and not a man.' All of the great Jewish figures of the Hebrew Bible -- the Patriarchs and Matriarchs, Moses, King David and others -- are shown as fully human, not divine.
- What Jews Believe: Essay #8: Gd Is Not Human, Humans Are Not Gd
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