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No, I am not Christian or follow the teachings of any Christian branches. However, I did attend a Christian church a few times, have Christian/Catholic friends that are near and dear to me, so I do have a what you call "hands-on" experience.
Thank you for your viewpoint. What are your thoughts on my so-called "false" gods since you are a converted Christian?
Tell me what they are so I can give you my thoughts. I read that statement in someone's post, but couldn't find a post where you explained your beliefs.
Tell me what they are so I can give you my thoughts. I read that statement in someone's post, but couldn't find a post where you explained your beliefs.
I never fully explained my beliefs in any of the posts here; only stating my belief's system of Hell.
A crash course on it would be that: You respect your family and treat your parents with utmost love and take care of them when they become old. You treat your siblings just the same way. As for treating other people, you try to treat everyone with equality and kindness. If you make a mistake, try to understand why you did it and resolve to act better next time. As for deity worship, it's more along the sidelines of wishing happiness and good health to your family (or other wishes). Of course, there is also meditation where one tries to improve oneself through self-reflection and being open-minded of other people's views. My belief's "Hell" is a court-based system (similar to Egyptian afterlife). Once a person dies, their spirit is taken to "Hell" (more of just an underground society) and is judged based on his/her actions in his/her living life. "Petty sins" usually are not taken notice and only the "Big" sins are counted (aka rape, murder, conning, corruption, etc). Those that lived their life all right becomes reincarnated instantly, while those that were malicious pay for their crimes through level punishment (not sure how long). Finally, the positions (duties) of the deities are set. However, the person for that seat is not. If the deity severely breaks a rule, s/he will be subject to be sent to "Hell" and enter the cycle of rebirth just like the rest of us.
Are you talking about being unevenly yoked. There is a reason God wants us to live by this standard. If you marry someone who is an unbeliever and you are a believer, there can be problems. It will be obvious that the person who does not believe in God, want be able to mentally understand or comprehend when you are talking about spiritual things. I mean help you when you are in a spiritual battle. How can they, if they don't understand what you are deing with.
I guess my question would be why would anyone want to be unevenly yoked with a person that is not on their level?
But you can be unevenly yoked with friends also.
A whole lotta "evenly yoked" folks gettin' divorced too. Someone care to explain that?
I never fully explained my beliefs in any of the posts here; only stating my belief's system of Hell.
A crash course on it would be that: You respect your family and treat your parents with utmost love and take care of them when they become old. You treat your siblings just the same way. As for treating other people, you try to treat everyone with equality and kindness. If you make a mistake, try to understand why you did it and resolve to act better next time. As for deity worship, it's more along the sidelines of wishing happiness and good health to your family (or other wishes). Of course, there is also meditation where one tries to improve oneself through self-reflection and being open-minded of other people's views. My belief's "Hell" is a court-based system (similar to Egyptian afterlife). Once a person dies, their spirit is taken to "Hell" (more of just an underground society) and is judged based on his/her actions in his/her living life. "Petty sins" usually are not taken notice and only the "Big" sins are counted (aka rape, murder, conning, corruption, etc). Those that lived their life all right becomes reincarnated instantly, while those that were malicious pay for their crimes through level punishment (not sure how long). Finally, the positions (duties) of the deities are set. However, the person for that seat is not. If the deity severely breaks a rule, s/he will be subject to be sent to "Hell" and enter the cycle of rebirth just like the rest of us.
Hope this helps
Oh, well then, when it eas stated about your belief in false gods . . .was that referring to the dieties you mentioned above?
Oh, well then, when it eas stated about your belief in false gods . . .was that referring to the dieties you mentioned above?
Yes, Chatteress told me this:
"No, because your god is a false god that destines everyone to hell while my GOD is a God of love and mercy who does not wish to see any of His creation perish."
My deities are plural. Each have their own duties (weather, love, family, childbirth, etc). And they do not destine or condemn anyone to go to Hell. You (your soul, spirit, essence) just go down automatically once you die. The only thing the judges do down there is to review your actions in life recorded down and confirm your fate. If you were good, you get escorted to be reincarnated. If you were bad, you get escorted to punishment rooms.
"No, because your god is a false god that destines everyone to hell while my GOD is a God of love and mercy who does not wish to see any of His creation perish."
My deities are plural. Each have their own duties (weather, love, family, childbirth, etc). And they do not destine or condemn anyone to go to Hell. You (your soul, spirit, essence) just go down automatically once you die. The only thing the judges do down there is to review your actions in life recorded down and confirm your fate. If you were good, you get escorted to be reincarnated. If you were bad, you get escorted to punishment rooms.
I respect your beliefs. Although I was agnostic for many years, I have either been involved or researched many other types of beliefs, including New Age, Wiccan, Scientology, etc.
As far as Christianity, I didn't look for it . . . it is written by Grace we receive Faith . . . what happened to me accepting Jesus as the True and Living God who was resurrected happened a little at a time.
I was VERY VERY resistant, but it would be too long to go into it.
You have the right to your beliefs, we all do, and I respect them.
That being said, I personally disagree with them, as you do mine . . . Blessings,
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And here it comes, ladies and gents. You think that my gods are a false gods, while you trounce around stating that your OWN god is real. Accepting of my beliefs? I think not. If your god is a god of love and mercy, he would not have wiped out the world and put certain people in a boat because they forgot about him. He would also not allow your condemning of my set of beliefs if he was really a god of love and mercy. Or are you spreading false pretenses under the cloak of acceptance? If so, you have sinned for you used your god's name in vain. Repent for your actions. Also, either he's all love and mercy or he's not. .
I never stated that I accepted your beliefs as valid, I stated that I accept your right to believe what you wish to believe. I apologize if calling your gods is offensive to you but that is the truth of what I believe. You are stating that God needs to accept your beliefs in order for Him to be merciful? Do you have any kids? How would you feel if your child ever said to you "You are not my mother/father!" and starting calling another person their "mother" or their "father"?
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Also, unlike your Hell, our Hell is different. Just because you go there doesn't mean you will burn forever. Think of a court. You line up, you go get judged. You get sentenced or live free, based on your actions.
Based on your logic, you shouldn't marry outside of your race either than, as the core beliefs in different cultures would be a dealbreaker. Should I scream "Racist", now?
No ... That isn't what I was stating. Would you marry someone you had NOTHING in common with (my Christian faith is my life), who did not enjoy the same activities you enjoy (such as my enjoying church), who does not cherish the same things you cherish (such as my God)? Since I know Christians from all racial backgrounds, my refusing to marry a non-Christian does not make me a racist. I'm "biracial" and have dated several men outside of my race so I can hardly be called a racist.
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What makes it okay for you to worship your God and not call your actions "idolatry"? Why can I not call your worship a "sin" but you can do the same to me?
You are free to call me a sinner for worshipping my God if you wish but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
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If your God is loving, but biased on whom he loves, then he is a hypocrite. He does not follow what he preaches. Classic case of "Do what I say, And not what I do". Which means that he himself has sinned and not perfect in any way. An example is of your own posting a page back:
If he respected my choice and viewpoint, he would accept it as it and still love me unconditionally, yet you state otherwise.
..Again, how would you feel if your child ever said to you "You are not my mother/father!" and starting calling another person their "mother" or their "father"? What if your child rejected you and all you have provided for them and chose to live with another family claiming that they are your kid's "parents"?
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Finally, worshiping another deity and accepting another person's views is considered adultery? Ma'am, you yourself are already cheating on your future husband as you love your friends who are not your God nor your spouse based on your so-called "logic". And sharing the same God is not "adultery"? I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be okay with a deity having sexual relations with my spouse, even if I did love him.
Sounds like I've confused you with the adultry illustration. All I was trying to say is that our worship belongs to God and God alone. If you choose to worship other gods, then you are rejecting the true and Living God.
I never stated that I accepted your beliefs as valid, I stated that I accept your right to believe what you wish to believe. I apologize if calling your gods is offensive to you but that is the truth of what I believe. You are stating that God needs to accept your beliefs in order for Him to be merciful? Do you have any kids? How would you feel if your child ever said to you "You are not my mother/father!" and starting calling another person their "mother" or their "father"?
You are not apologetic in the fact that you slammed my beliefs, like the stereotypical Christian. "If calling my gods is offensive to me"? Wow, you think? If I said that your god was a heathen, hypocrite, murderer, and sinner, you'd be okay with that? No, you would not. Don't hide under the pretense that it is all right for you to talk smack about another person's religion, yet feel offended when they do the same to you. I don't do the same to you, yet you feel the need to insult my beliefs under the cover-up of an apology. I can see why people hate your kind so much as you showed contempt towards me the minute I started asking questions about your belief. Questions that were not attacking your religion. Questions that you felt threatened by and resorted to belittling my own set. As for your example, based on what you stated in previous posts, you've contradicted yourself. If your God is all forgiving as you state that he was, he would be merciful to me even if I was "disobedient". You are saying your God will not be merciful to me because I am "disobedient", yet you stated previously that your God would love me for who I am. I believe in my own religion. He should love me for that. Yet he would condemn because I was "disobedient". A child can question the adult. Your statements are inconclusive and incoherent. Make sure to read what you type next time as it's a paradox. As for the children example, I feel sorry for you as it seems like you are throwing that example under the guise of your own troubled children issues.
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No ... That isn't what I was stating. Would you marry someone you had NOTHING in common with (my Christian faith is my life), who did not enjoy the same activities you enjoy (such as my enjoying church), who does not cherish the same things you cherish (such as my God)? Since I know Christians from all racial backgrounds, my refusing to marry a non-Christian does not make me a racist. I'm "biracial" and have dated several men outside of my race so I can hardly be called a racist.
Yes, I would marry a person who I have NOTHING in common with. People do it all the time. Heard of opposites attract? Just because you dated other races doesn't mean you are not racist. Don't toss that example around as it's flawed. It's like saying I have Christian friends. But I could hate all Christians at the same time.
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You are free to call me a sinner for worshipping my God if you wish but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
Good, now please don't call me a sinner while I call you a sinner and condemn you to my Hell over and over again. Don't like it? Tough cookies. Apparently you should have no say in it because my religion is the only accepted beliefs and you should follow it because I say you should. there is no such thing as one superior religion.
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..Again, how would you feel if your child ever said to you "You are not my mother/father!" and starting calling another person their "mother" or their "father"? What if your child rejected you and all you have provided for them and chose to live with another family claiming that they are your kid's "parents"?
This example can be turned right back against you. How do you think my gods would feel when you turn your back against them when they provided you with love, yet you chose to claim another as your creator? If you cannot accept this example as a rebuttal against your own religion, don't use it. Your religion is not the only religion out there. Don't use broad examples when you yourself cannot accept it yourself when it is asked upon you.
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Sounds like I've confused you with the adultry illustration. All I was trying to say is that our worship belongs to God and God alone. If you choose to worship other gods, then you are rejecting the true and Living God.
I was not so much confused as disturbed. I begin to question your mental state when you think it was a good idea to use adultery with a god as an example. I will turn your statement back against you. If you choose to worship your Christian god, you are rejecting the deities that provide the earth with nourishment and your chance for redemption while sparing you from loss of individual thought or free will. Explain that. Why are you rejecting the true, the humble, and the dedicated deities? Why are you hurting them with your beliefs when you should be following mine? Are you so cruel as to denounce my religion and continue to be enslaved to the Christian God that promises salvation, yet shows none to all his so-called children? My religion loves everyone for who they are and accept different views. Whereas yours cannot. Prove me wrong. Make a statement that does not subtlety stab at my beliefs. You cannot, can you?
Finally, to denounce my beliefs while bolstering your own ego is hypocritical to your own sets of belief. According to your beliefs, you broke at least three of the teachings already. Don't cast the first stone, Don't judge me lest ye be judged and you would allow me to slap your other cheek as well since apparently, I already slapped one side. Faithful to your religion? You would not argue with me and walk away right now if you were indeed "faithful" to your beliefs. That's at least three sins you committed already today. Head to your nearest confession booth now. Oh wait, you don't need to because Jesus died for your sins as long as you confess, you can enter the pearly gates all right.
I will predict that your next post will include at least one sentence that will call me an idiot, condemn me to hell, die unsaved, take a passive-aggressive stance on why your religion is better than mine, or spew another random and creepy example.
I respect your beliefs. Although I was agnostic for many years, I have either been involved or researched many other types of beliefs, including New Age, Wiccan, Scientology, etc.
As far as Christianity, I didn't look for it . . . it is written by Grace we receive Faith . . . what happened to me accepting Jesus as the True and Living God who was resurrected happened a little at a time.
I was VERY VERY resistant, but it would be too long to go into it.
You have the right to your beliefs, we all do, and I respect them.
That being said, I personally disagree with them, as you do mine . . . Blessings,
Thank you for your understanding. I respect your belief as well. I appreciate your time in addressing my questions without taking offense to them
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You are not apologetic in the fact that you slammed my beliefs, like the stereotypical Christian. "If calling my gods is offensive to me"? Wow, you think? If I said that your god was a heathen, hypocrite, murderer, and sinner, you'd be okay with that? No, you would not. Don't hide under the pretense that it is all right for you to talk smack about another person's religion, yet feel offended when they do the same to you. I don't do the same to you, yet you feel the need to insult my beliefs under the cover-up of an apology. I can see why people hate your kind so much as you showed contempt towards me the minute I started asking questions about your belief. Questions that were not attacking your religion. Questions that you felt threatened by and resorted to belittling my own set. As for your example, based on what you stated in previous posts, you've contradicted yourself. If your God is all forgiving as you state that he was, he would be merciful to me even if I was "disobedient". You are saying your God will not be merciful to me because I am "disobedient", yet you stated previously that your God would love me for who I am. I believe in my own religion. He should love me for that. Yet he would condemn because I was "disobedient". A child can question the adult. Your statements are inconclusive and incoherent. Make sure to read what you type next time as it's a paradox. As for the children example, I feel sorry for you as it seems like you are throwing that example under the guise of your own troubled children issues.
Yes, I would marry a person who I have NOTHING in common with. People do it all the time. Heard of opposites attract? Just because you dated other races doesn't mean you are not racist. Don't toss that example around as it's flawed. It's like saying I have Christian friends. But I could hate all Christians at the same time.
Good, now please don't call me a sinner while I call you a sinner and condemn you to my Hell over and over again. Don't like it? Tough cookies. Apparently you should have no say in it because my religion is the only accepted beliefs and you should follow it because I say you should. there is no such thing as one superior religion.
This example can be turned right back against you. How do you think my gods would feel when you turn your back against them when they provided you with love, yet you chose to claim another as your creator? If you cannot accept this example as a rebuttal against your own religion, don't use it. Your religion is not the only religion out there. Don't use broad examples when you yourself cannot accept it yourself when it is asked upon you.
I was not so much confused as disturbed. I begin to question your mental state when you think it was a good idea to use adultery with a god as an example. I will turn your statement back against you. If you choose to worship your Christian god, you are rejecting the deities that provide the earth with nourishment and your chance for redemption while sparing you from loss of individual thought or free will. Explain that. Why are you rejecting the true, the humble, and the dedicated deities? Why are you hurting them with your beliefs when you should be following mine? Are you so cruel as to denounce my religion and continue to be enslaved to the Christian God that promises salvation, yet shows none to all his so-called children? My religion loves everyone for who they are and accept different views. Whereas yours cannot. Prove me wrong. Make a statement that does not subtlety stab at my beliefs. You cannot, can you?
Finally, to denounce my beliefs while bolstering your own ego is hypocritical to your own sets of belief. According to your beliefs, you broke at least three of the teachings already. Don't cast the first stone, Don't judge me lest ye be judged and you would allow me to slap your other cheek as well since apparently, I already slapped one side. Faithful to your religion? You would not argue with me and walk away right now if you were indeed "faithful" to your beliefs. That's at least three sins you committed already today. Head to your nearest confession booth now. Oh wait, you don't need to because Jesus died for your sins as long as you confess, you can enter the pearly gates all right.
I will predict that your next post will include at least one sentence that will call me an idiot, condemn me to hell, die unsaved, take a passive-aggressive stance on why your religion is better than mine, or spew another random and creepy example.
No ... I will not call you any names. Actually, it appears that we will have to agree to disagree. It does not sound to me that you came on this forum to seek understanding but to attack and I'm not about to get caught up in that. Take care of yourself.
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