Are you gods? Or did Jesus lie? (verse, confess, faith)

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by Vizio

First of all, I distinctly remember you telling me that the idea of eternal progression did not include man becoming gods. Now, you seem to be suggesting we can. So which is it?

Having said that, how is it in our "potential" to become a God? There is nothing in scripture to suggest it--certainly not the passage where Jesus said "You are gods...". In context, it says nothing of the sort.

Come on, Vizio . . . what is the "potential" of children? Christ told us to call God "Abba" (Father).
What is the relationship of children to their Father?

[Vizio]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

Come on, Vizio . . . what is the "potential" of children? Christ told us to call God "Abba" (Father).
What is the relationship of children to their Father?

Let's just look at what scripture says. I challenge you to give me a verse that suggests any human being has the potential to become a god.

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by Vizio

Let's just look at what scripture says. I challenge you to give me a verse that suggests any human being has the potential to become a god.

Let's not be coy . . . you said nothing in scripture SUGGESTS it. I gave you two things off the top of my head that DO. You ignored them and moved the goal posts.

[Vizio]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

Let's not be coy . . . you said nothing in scripture SUGGESTS it. I gave you two things off the top of my head that DO. You ignored them and moved the goal posts.

You are drawing conclusions based off of a misreading of scripture. What you're doing is the equivalent of a kid coming home and seeing a note that says "Do not eat the cake in the fridge".....then proceeding to eat the cake because they ignored the first 2 words of the sentence.

Put it in context. It doesn't come close to saying what you say it does.

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by Vizio

Let's just look at what scripture says. I challenge you to give me a verse that suggests any human being has the potential to become a god.

'Ye are the light of the world, a city set upon a mount is not able to be hid stages Matthew 5:14

Now let's forget for the moment our difference on who Jesus is saying this to, most folk regardless of what they believe in hearing this spoken to them would have either looked over their shoulder or said who me, you've got to be kidding me?.

If he is the light and we are the light, would it be fair to say we are of the same substance?, or do you believe he is referring to us as being some other form of light to himself ?. So if Jesus said you are the light of the world,I do not believe he would getting his knickers in a twist over me agreeing with him and saying I am the light world, after all I would only be repeating what he just called me.

The reason we are sick and need a physician is because we gave forgotten who we are, we look at ourselves as being poor miserable old sinners(not realizing that is the cause of our sickness), so when Jesus Christ makes a statement like you are gods or you are the light of the world, he is tending to the sick by showing to them their true identity.

I make this stuff up you know.( well it saves you saying it), but enough to warm the cockles of your heart if you believe it.

Have I been so long with you and you have not known me ?. John 14:9

As he is so are we in the this world 1 John 4:17

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

Come on, Vizio . . . what is the "potential" of children? Christ told us to call God "Abba" (Father).
What is the relationship of children to their Father?

Originally Posted by Vizio

Let's just look at what scripture says. I challenge you to give me a verse that suggests any human being has the potential to become a god.

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

Let's not be coy . . . you said nothing in scripture SUGGESTS it. I gave you two things off the top of my head that DO. You ignored them and moved the goal posts.

Originally Posted by Vizio

You are drawing conclusions based off of a misreading of scripture.

Rather than dodge the issue . . . what are YOUR conclusions about the two things I posted from your proper reading of the scriptures? What is the "potential" of children vis-a-vis their Father?

[Vizio]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

Rather than dodge the issue . . . what are YOUR conclusions about the two things I posted from your proper reading of the scriptures? What is the "potential" of children vis-a-vis their Father?

Let's define our terms.

In context, the Bible states we will go to be with God in Heaven. He presents himself a s a loving father who cares for his children. There is no suggestion of us developing to become gods.

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by Vizio

Let's define our terms.

In context, the Bible states we will go to be with God in Heaven. He presents himself a s a loving father who cares for his children. There is no suggestion of us developing to become gods.

Where does it say we will go to heaven ?.

[Vizio]

Originally Posted by pcamps

Where does it say we will go to heaven ?.

John 14. He will go and prepare a place for us.

2 Cor 5:8 -- When we are absent from the body, we are present with the Lord.

Not to mention Revelation 22, and the whole new heaven and earth things.

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by Vizio

John 14. He will go and prepare a place for us.

2 Cor 5:8 -- When we are absent from the body, we are present with the Lord.

Not to mention Revelation 22, and the whole new heaven and earth things.

No mention of heaven in either of those verses. Jesus said "that where i am you may be also". Well where was Jesus ? we know he lived in the Father, we also know in the same chapter that he was revealing the Father on earth, in the same chapter he also said "greater works shall you do because i go to the father" , so going to the Father was not a reference to making a way to heaven for us but a reference to heaven unfolding and being made known in us. In other words as he was so will we be, where he was in this world, so will we be also.

Crazy but true.