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Old 12-19-2013, 02:34 PM
 
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No mention of heaven in either of those verses. Jesus said "that where i am you may be also". Well where was Jesus ? we know he lived in the Father, we also know in the same chapter that he was revealing the Father on earth, in the same chapter he also said "greater works shall you do because i go to the father" , so going to the Father was not a reference to making a way to heaven for us but a reference to heaven unfolding and being made known in us. In other words as he was so will we be, where he was in this world, so will we be also.

Crazy but true.
Revelation 22 actually does say quite a bit to clarify what the first 2 verses mean. Don't read your own ideas into it--read what scripture says.
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Old 12-19-2013, 02:53 PM
 
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Revelation 22 actually does say quite a bit to clarify what the first 2 verses mean. Don't read your own ideas into it--read what scripture says.
Yes if you want to believe heaven is a place up in the sky.
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Old 12-19-2013, 02:58 PM
 
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Rather than dodge the issue . . . what are YOUR conclusions about the two things I posted from your proper reading of the scriptures? What is the "potential" of children vis-a-vis their Father?
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Let's define our terms.
In context, the Bible states we will go to be with God in Heaven. He presents himself a s a loving father who cares for his children. There is no suggestion of us developing to become gods.
This is another dodge. Try to focus on answering the question directly. It was about the expected "potential" of a child vis-a-vis the Father. What do we normally associate that "potential" with?
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Old 12-19-2013, 03:05 PM
 
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This is another dodge. Try to focus on answering the question directly. It was about the expected "potential" of a child vis-a-vis the Father. What do we normally associate that "potential" with?
Define "child" and "father". How we use those terms, and how the Bible uses the terms would have a huge impact on the discussion.
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Old 12-19-2013, 03:16 PM
 
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Let's just look at what scripture says. I challenge you to give me a verse that suggests any human being has the potential to become a god.
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the SAME image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord

I make this stuff up.
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Old 12-19-2013, 03:22 PM
 
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But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the SAME image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord

I make this stuff up.
I think you're attempting to quote 2 Cor 3:18....right? Now please explain how you believe that says we will become gods.

Did you read the context? What is happening there? There's no mention of anyone becoming a god.
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Old 12-19-2013, 03:37 PM
 
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I think you're attempting to quote 2 Cor 3:18....right? Now please explain how you believe that says we will become gods.

Did you read the context? What is happening there? There's no mention of anyone becoming a god.
What is happening here ? you're a pastor of the church and you need this explaining to you?

We become what we behold.

Did you miss that bit, i actually highlighted it so a blind man on a galloping horse could see it.

Who is the image Spoken of here ? of cause..........Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is who ? need i say anymore?.

Better still Pastor explain what it is saying to you.

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Old 12-19-2013, 03:55 PM
 
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I think you're attempting to quote 2 Cor 3:18....right? Now please explain how you believe that says we will become gods.

Did you read the context? What is happening there? There's no mention of anyone becoming a god.
Read in context, it is saying with the veil over your eyes(which i believe is over your eyes) you don"t see God, you see yourself................ and this is the reason you keep saying you are a sinner. Those who are aware of who they are in Christ,acknowledge every good thing that is in them that is in Christ so that their communication of their faith is effective, they are not confessing i"m a poor old miserable sinner nullifying their faith.

That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus Philemon 1:6
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Old 12-19-2013, 03:59 PM
 
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What is happening here ? you're a pastor of the church and you need this explaining to you?
Apparently, I need YOUR reading of it explained to me.
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We become what we behold.

Did you miss that bit, i actually highlighted it so a blind man on a galloping horse could see it.

Who is the image Spoken of here ? of cause..........Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is who ? need i say anymore?.

Better still Pastor explain what it is saying to you.
That text does not say we become God.

Paul begins the passage explaining that Moses had to wear a veil to approach the glory of God. Christians have had the veil lifted--because of Christ. The Jews were blind to God's glory--but we are not. When we behold the glory of God through Christ we are made more like Christ. But we are not made into little gods. We are not transformed into Christ himself, or into God...but a likeness of Christ.

In his previous letter, 1 Cor 15:49, Paul wrote "Just as we have born the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven". We are not made into little gods---we will be changed/transformed to be more like Jesus.
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Old 12-19-2013, 04:18 PM
 
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Apparently, I need YOUR reading of it explained to me.


That text does not say we become God.

Paul begins the passage explaining that Moses had to wear a veil to approach the glory of God. Christians have had the veil lifted--because of Christ. The Jews were blind to God's glory--but we are not. When we behold the glory of God through Christ we are made more like Christ. But we are not made into little gods. We are not transformed into Christ himself, or into God...but a likeness of Christ.

In his previous letter, 1 Cor 15:49, Paul wrote "Just as we have born the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven". We are not made into little gods---we will be changed/transformed to be more like Jesus.
Codswallop

It clearly states "in the text" that we are changed INTO(not more like) the SAME IMAGE

Who is Jesus Christ, if not God manifested in the flesh?.
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