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Old 03-23-2009, 08:48 AM
 
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What does this mean, haven't I said "ye are gods"?

Jhn 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;


Lets figure this out, you who call upon the Name of the Most High!
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Old 03-23-2009, 08:51 AM
 
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I've never prayed over this. I'm interested hear what others that have think.
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Old 03-23-2009, 09:04 AM
 
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I've recently read judges were referred to as "gods". It's a title, as is God. God, in this sense, is the ultimate judge. I'll have to find some sources, but I read this in the last month or so.

And or course, Jesus did not lie.
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Old 03-23-2009, 09:08 AM
 
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Your quotes are a little misleading, considering what you left out.

Yes, we are gods (little 'g') in the sense we are God's children....included in the family by adoption. But that doesn't mean we are anything like Gods(captial 'G'.)

The text Jesus was referencing in your quote comes from Psalm 82 and looking at that text clears up the matter quite well:
Psalm 82
A psalm of Asaph.
God presides in the great assembly;
he gives judgment among the "gods":

"How long will you [a] defend the unjust
and show partiality to the wicked?
Selah

Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless;
maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed.

Rescue the weak and needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.

"They know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

"I said, 'You are "gods";
you are all sons of the Most High.'

But you will die like mere men;
you will fall like every other ruler."


Rise up, O God, judge the earth,
for all the nations are your inheritance.
(emphasis added)

And when Jesus said what you quoted it wasn't to even discuss the issue of God's children being called 'gods', but rather to affirm that He is who He is:
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? John 10:34-36
(emphasis added)

Jesus was conveying that He had every right to claim to be God's Son and it was the Father Himself who confirmed that He was a 'Unique Son'(John 3:16) when He gave a special confirmation at His(Jesus') baptism by saying "This is my Son in whom I am well pleased."

ETA: See I Cor 8:5 for more on little 'g' gods and little 'l' lords.
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Old 03-23-2009, 09:39 AM
 
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Your quotes are a little misleading, considering what you left out.

Yes, we are gods (little 'g') in the sense we are God's children....included in the family by adoption. But that doesn't mean we are anything like Gods(captial 'G'.)

The text Jesus was referencing in your quote comes from Psalm 82 and looking at that text clears up the matter quite well:
Psalm 82
A psalm of Asaph.
God presides in the great assembly;
he gives judgment among the "gods":

"How long will you [a] defend the unjust
and show partiality to the wicked?
Selah

Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless;
maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed.

Rescue the weak and needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.

"They know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

"I said, 'You are "gods";
you are all sons of the Most High.'

But you will die like mere men;
you will fall like every other ruler."

Rise up, O God, judge the earth,
for all the nations are your inheritance.
(emphasis added)

And when Jesus said what you quoted it wasn't to even discuss the issue of God's children being called 'gods', but rather to affirm that He is who He is:
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? John 10:34-36
(emphasis added)

Jesus was conveying that He had every right to claim to be God's Son and it was the Father Himself who confirmed that He was a 'Unique Son'(John 3:16) when He gave a special confirmation at His(Jesus') baptism by saying "This is my Son in whom I am well pleased."

ETA: See I Cor 8:5 for more on little 'g' gods and little 'l' lords.
Amen....

John 10:33-36
Jesus opened Himself to the charge of blasphemy by stating, "I and My Father are one" (v.30). But on the basis of Scripture (v.34). He reasoned. If the term gods could be acceptably applied to human judges (Ps.82:6), why was it blasphemy for Him who came directly from the Father to call Himself the Son of God (v.36)?
Here for Jesus to be sanctified means that He was set apart by God to come into the world as our Savior. (John 3:16)

Ps.82:6-7
It is God who passes judgment on these so-called gods, who are merely His children. Their present rank is due to His will, but He will now take away their delegated authority, and they will die.
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Old 03-23-2009, 10:09 AM
 
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Human beings are not Gods nor are we little Gods; we Christians are His children. This is just a term used for men in authority over other men. In a way President Obama could be considered a god.
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Old 03-23-2009, 10:13 AM
 
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I found this:

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Question: "What does the Bible mean by “you are gods” / "ye are gods" in Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34?"

Answer: Let’s start with a look at Psalm 82, the psalm that Jesus quotes in John 10:34. The Hebrew word translated "gods" in Psalm 82:6 is elohim. It usually refers to the One True God, but it does have other uses. Psalm 82:1 says, “God presides in the great assembly; he gives judgment among the gods." It is clear from the next three verses that the word “gods” refers to magistrates, judges, and other people who hold positions of authority and rule. Calling a human magistrate a "god" indicates three things: 1) he has authority over other human beings, 2) the power he wields as a civil authority is to be feared, and 3) he derives his power and authority from God Himself, who is pictured as judging the whole earth in verse 8.
Read the rest here: What does the Bible mean by “you are gods” / "ye are gods" in Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34?
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Old 03-23-2009, 10:15 AM
 
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Human beings are not Gods nor are we little Gods. This is just a term used for men in authority over other men. In a way President Obama could be considered a god.
That's right and is what curly and I said.
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Old 03-23-2009, 10:17 AM
 
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That's right and is what curly and I said.
I know
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Old 03-23-2009, 10:22 AM
 
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I know
10-4...I thought maybe you misinterpreted my little 'g' gods to imply I was saying 'little gods'.

Just wanted to clear that up....I do not think we are 'little gods'....but here is something I know.....

We are God's!

(as in, belonging to God!)
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