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So I've had this thought for a long time. Genesis says that in the beginning god created heavens and earth....so on and so forth and on the 7th day he rested. Right? So when exactly during all this creating did he have all the drama with Lucifer and kick him out? I can't find it.
And you won't find it in the Word. Lucifer was the King of Babylon. The absence of Light is darkness. In the darkness you find all sort of evil that the minds of carnally minded men can come up with. We are originally beings of light, which came from the Father of Lights. This is our spiritual nature, in the image of our Creator. 1st John 1:5 We are called to walk after the Light, and when we don't,,,,,,,,,,,,we fall into darkness.
We all are light bearers. Everyone who claims to be a Christian has the Light of the World shining in their hearts. It isn't hidden under a basket, nor is it hidden at all. It shines for the world to see.
See the beauty for what it is, a perfect creation, for a perfect Father. He is desiring His Sons and Daughters to seek Him out, find Him, and have the unity of relationship with Him, through His Son, since we fell prior to coming into the knowledge of Truth.
I find it ironic that a lot of people on here say... I only believe it if it`s in the bible. But yet, they turn around and say..i think satan fell here or at this time etc. Of course the bible doesn`t say anything about satan falling or being an angel..it`s not in the bible but the same people who talk about only believing the bible and not man`s teaching believe that satan was an angel... I know the verses the church uses to try and link satan to a fallen angel..so save the time ...but those verses don`t call satan lucifer or an angel. They might if you want to believe the English translated words. But if you really want the truth, you`ll have to search for it. I know it`s not easy and may take a little of your precious time, but you have to look at the original language. Just like the trinity..nowhere in the bible...but people believe what they have been taught and try to splice verses together to make their doctrine. I just shake my head at the people who talk about only believing what the bible actually says but believe everything the church tells them is the truth. We need to start seeking the truth..look at the original language and study it!
I find it ironic that a lot of people on here say... I only believe it if it`s in the bible. But yet, they turn around and say..i think satan fell here or at this time etc. Of course the bible doesn`t say anything about satan falling or being an angel..it`s not in the bible but the same people who talk about only believing the bible and not man`s teaching believe that satan was an angel... I know the verses the church uses to try and link satan to a fallen angel..so save the time ...but those verses don`t call satan lucifer or an angel. They might if you want to believe the English translated words. But if you really want the truth, you`ll have to search for it. I know it`s not easy and may take a little of your precious time, but you have to look at the original language. Just like the trinity..nowhere in the bible...but people believe what they have been taught and try to splice verses together to make their doctrine. I just shake my head at the people who talk about only believing what the bible actually says but believe everything the church tells them is the truth. We need to start seeking the truth..look at the original language and study it!
ummmmm....yes it does. Clear as day. Unless two different beings fell from heaven then you might have a point. Jesus said, I saw Satan fall from heaven? hmmmmm who else fell from heaven? Process of elimination
ummmmm....yes it does. Clear as day. Unless two different beings fell from heaven then you might have a point. Jesus said, I saw Satan fall from heaven? hmmmmm who else fell from heaven? Process of elimination
You? From whence did you come from? Seek and you shall find..
ummmmm....yes it does. Clear as day. Unless two different beings fell from heaven then you might have a point. Jesus said, I saw Satan fall from heaven? hmmmmm who else fell from heaven? Process of elimination
Look at the context. He gave the disciples authority to heal and cast out devils, they succeed and Jesus comments that He saw Satan falling from heaven. It's as plain as day - Satan was losing his 'high place' of authority as the disciples destroyed his works.
So do you think Jesus was having a flashback to some prehistoric (or historic) fall from God's perfect domain?
"Heaven" throughout scripture denotes authority or rulers. It's root is where we get the word "Heave" which simply means high or raised up.
There is no way that you get a perfect archangel turning evil and falling from God's perfect domain from Isaiah, Ezekiel or Jesus' NT reference to Satan losing his authority.
Also the word "Angel" in the Hebrew and Greek simply means "messenger" and is used to describe men (of John the baptist it says: "Behold I send my angel (messenger) before your face who shall prepare the way before you") as well as ministering spirits.
The word Ev-angel-list is from the same root. It means "a messenger of Good news."
The church through myth and tradition have made the Word of God of none effect.
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Originally Posted by spm62
but people believe what they have been taught and try to splice verses together to make their doctrine. I just shake my head at the people who talk about only believing what the bible actually says but believe everything the church tells them is the truth. We need to start seeking the truth..look at the original language and study it!
Wow, so many different ideas on this! Now I am more confused than ever. I will try to do a little research on my own to see what I come up with. Thanks!
Wow, so many different ideas on this! Now I am more confused than ever. I will try to do a little research on my own to see what I come up with. Thanks!
ummmmm....yes it does. Clear as day. Unless two different beings fell from heaven then you might have a point. Jesus said, I saw Satan fall from heaven? hmmmmm who else fell from heaven? Process of elimination
Once again fundie, you prove my point. You have to SEEK the truth. You are so heavely influenced by man`s teaching (church) you use circular reasoning and logic. If you wanted to find out the facts about a man from another time and culture, would you just rely solely on what one author had to say about that person? Hopefully you would try to research the man`s teachings from different sources and look at some of his teachings in his original language and what those words mean in that culture he lived in. But when it comes to the most important thing a person could ever study or want to know, they just rely solely on the church`s teaching and refuse to do any independant in-depth study. They refuse to at least consider sources other than the church and research what some of the teachings might mean in it`s original language..they just don`t want to take the time..after all ,it`s only God we are talking about... Yes, we have the bible, but you let the church`s interpretation and man`s translation influence any study you might do. I used to be a fundamentalist myself, until after much prayer and seeking, God finally opened my eyes. Don`t be afraid to search for the truth fundie, even if it means stepping outside of your comfort zone. God knows a person`s heart. Pray that he will lead you to his truth and not man`s.
satan was cast out before he created Adam , millions of years before. 1 day to us is a 1000 years to God. God cast him down and cut off the sun to the earth out of anger. This is how the dinasaurs , and all the pre-historic animals were killed. once he shut the light from the earth ,this is when the ice age occurred. Millions of years passed. The earth was form and void.
satan was cast out before he created Adam , millions of years before. 1 day to us is a 1000 years to God. God cast him down and cut off the sun to the earth out of anger. This is how the dinasaurs , and all the pre-historic animals were killed. once he shut the light from the earth ,this is when the ice age occurred. Millions of years passed. The earth was form and void.
Where does the bible say all of that
Ezekiel describes Satan and his original position as a Cherub with an assignment in Eden as a wonderful privilage before he made that personal descision to turn on God.
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. I know the verses the church uses to try and link satan to a fallen angel..so save the time 
...but those verses don`t call satan lucifer or an angel. They might if you want to believe the English translated words. But if you really want the truth, you`ll have to search for it. I know it`s not easy and may take a little of your precious time, but you have to look at the original language. Just like the trinity..nowhere in the bible...but people believe what they have been taught and try to splice verses together to make their doctrine. I just shake my head at the people who talk about only believing what the bible actually says but believe everything the church tells them is the truth. We need to start seeking the truth..look at the original language and study it!
. Yes, we have the bible, but you let the church`s interpretation and man`s translation influence any study you might do. I used to be a fundamentalist myself, until after much prayer and seeking, God finally opened my eyes. Don`t be afraid to search for the truth fundie, even if it means stepping outside of your comfort zone. God knows a person`s heart. Pray that he will lead you to his truth and not man`s.
