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That's something that's very important to me.And I've said before that one of the great strengths of the United States is -- although as I mentioned, we have a very large Christian population, we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation; we consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values.
I guess the question is do you want this to be a Christian Nation?
What does Christian Nation mean to you?
Would you want to restrict the rights of others so this could be a Christian Nation?
Example:
Would you want to restrict people from working the Sabbath?
Would you want to outlaw alcohol (or any other vice you deem a sin)?
Edit: Obviously the whole gay marriage thing spins threads out of control (guilty as charged). So how about we keep that out of this thread (or try to).
That's something that's very important to me.And I've said before that one of the great strengths of the United States is -- although as I mentioned, we have a very large Christian population, we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation; we consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values.
I guess the question is do you want this to be a Christian Nation?
Of course, it is obvious and common sense this nation would be better off. Look at schools, crime, the economy with the greed of corporations. Christianity created schools (Harvard and Yale) hospitals, charities etc....This country isn't great because of "the people", it was great because God saw favor in it for His glory.
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What does Christian Nation mean to you?
A nation strongly influenced by Christianity
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Would you want to restrict the rights of others so this could be a Christian Nation?
Example:
Would you want to restrict people from working the Sabbath?
Would you want to outlaw alcohol (or any other vice you deem a sin)?
Edit: Obviously the whole gay marriage thing spins threads out of control (guilty as charged). So how about we keep that out of this thread (or try to).
Christianity doesn't do that. It was Christianity that created democracy.It goes against the very fiber of the bible.
Moderator cut: personal attack and hijack
Last edited by Alpha8207; 04-15-2009 at 11:36 AM..
That's something that's very important to me.And I've said before that one of the great strengths of the United States is -- although as I mentioned, we have a very large Christian population, we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation; we consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values.
I guess the question is do you want this to be a Christian Nation?
What does Christian Nation mean to you?
Would you want to restrict the rights of others so this could be a Christian Nation?
Example:
Would you want to restrict people from working the Sabbath?
Would you want to outlaw alcohol (or any other vice you deem a sin)?
Edit: Obviously the whole gay marriage thing spins threads out of control (guilty as charged). So how about we keep that out of this thread (or try to).
A nation based on Christian principles, not a Christian theocracy. You are free to choose how to live your life, just like you are free to choose to follow Christ. The Bible doesn't force you to live a certain way, and neither should any country.
I tend not to look at national boundaries and allegiences to find my Christian brothers and sisters. Jesus said in Matt 28:19
19 Go therefore[c] and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
The only Christian government is God's Heavenly Kingdom
I tend not to look at national boundaries and allegiences to find my Christian brothers and sisters. Jesus said in Matt 28:19
19 Go therefore[c] and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
The only Christian government is God's Heavenly Kingdom
Beeven, I will rep you a 1000 times if C/D can let me
There's only one kingdom, the kingdom of God.
Say, the Pope holds an open air mass and people of different types flock under one banner. That is the nation of God.
I guess the question is do you want this to be a Christian Nation? no, absolutely not
What does Christian Nation mean to you? those in a position of influence use their influence to direct everyone else's lives
Would you want to restrict the rights of others so this could be a Christian Nation? absolutely not
Example:
Would you want to restrict people from working the Sabbath?
Would you want to outlaw alcohol (or any other vice you deem a sin)?
Edit: Obviously the whole gay marriage thing spins threads out of control (guilty as charged). So how about we keep that out of this thread (or try to).
where I'm at on the subject:
I believe there are plenty of values/morals/standards/etc. which many seem to consider "Christian" values/morals/standards (even though they're far from being exclusive to Christians) which the U.S. & everyone in it could benefit from having held up as "The" values/morals/standards/etc. to live by-- but directing or dictating others' lives based on specific religious beliefs wouldn't be o.k.
I wouldn't even say this is a Christian nation. That seems to me it would mean that the government is Christian, and it is not. From what I understand, some of our founding fathers were not even Christian. It would be a terrible place if any religion's ideals were forced on us. Think of it this way: If in time the politicians who are elected are Muslim, would you want them putting their religous values in place as law? Better to keep it separate!
I guess the question is do you want this to be a Christian Nation? yes of course..or at least one that doesnt pass laws that are complete opposition of what hte Bible says
What does Christian Nation mean to you? One that puts God first when thinking of passing laws
Would you want to restrict the rights of others so this could be a Christian Nation? tough question...but no
Example:
Would you want to restrict people from working the Sabbath? nope I have too
Would you want to outlaw alcohol (or any other vice you deem a sin)? nope..what one does in the privacy of their own home of whatever doesnt affect me in the least..just dont ask me or force me to think its okay
Edit: Obviously the whole gay marriage thing spins threads out of control (guilty as charged). So how about we keep that out of this thread (or try to).
Of course, it is obvious and common sense this nation would be better off. Look at schools, crime, the economy with the greed of corporations. Christianity created schools (Harvard and Yale) hospitals, charities etc....This country isn't great because of "the people", it was great because God saw favor in it for His glory.
A nation strongly influenced by Christianity
Christianity doesn't do that. It was Christianity that created democracy.It goes against the very fiber of the bible.
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My computer crashed as I posted this the first time so I'll have to try again. Must be a sign from God!
Sadly, waving the magic fundamentalist wand and making this a "Christian nation" probably wouldn't eliminate crime or greed (particualrly when some of the finest examples of greed come in the form of fundamentalist televangalists). You make a better society by changing the hearts of men, not by forcing them to follow your rules.
It is true that Christian principles are behind the creation of many great instituions in this country; and rightly so. I'm sure that God smiles upon these things. But to claim that God made the good ol' USA great because he favors us over other nations is to fall into that same fundamentalist trap of having to claim then that you know the Mind of God.
And democracy has its roots in ancient Greece from before the time Christ walked this earth. While the principles of democracy certainly mesh well with Christian principles, it would be wrong to state that Christianity created democracy.
Last edited by roneb; 04-15-2009 at 11:39 AM..
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