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Old 04-17-2009, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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Just asking. When they were canonizable people or entities in the pre-modern periods of the catholic Church, saints were often mythical like St. Patrick and St. Christopher. The if they were truly amazing people of the past to emulate then it was for a circumstance of abuse, oppression, or a time when genocide was occuring, or a time when there was questionable violence and accepted injustice in the community.

Maybe it would be better to simply have concentrated on the historical review of the event and events of the time for objective value and personal judgment of communion because of a more enriching fellowship of ideal exchanges of subjects (then meaningless feats of 'overcoming injustice', like that of St. teresa.)

But there is that sense of mystical belonging from the old will and less indifference for truly being Good.
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Old 04-17-2009, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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I'm not a saint. I want to be heard.
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Old 04-17-2009, 06:49 AM
 
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irony off:

myriads of counsellors can tell you how to become ....

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Old 04-17-2009, 07:42 AM
 
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Just asking. When they were canonizable people or entities in the pre-modern periods of the catholic Church, saints were often mythical like St. Patrick and St. Christopher. The if they were truly amazing people of the past to emulate then it was for a circumstance of abuse, oppression, or a time when genocide was occuring, or a time when there was questionable violence and accepted injustice in the community.

Maybe it would be better to simply have concentrated on the historical review of the event and events of the time for objective value and personal judgment of communion because of a more enriching fellowship of ideal exchanges of subjects (then meaningless feats of 'overcoming injustice', like that of St. teresa.)

But there is that sense of mystical belonging from the old will and less indifference for truly being Good.
You can't really emulate a historical review.
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Old 04-17-2009, 07:44 AM
 
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yet another thing that always made me wonder...

If all are equal in the eyes of the Lord....then where does the Pope, saints, etc. fit in????

Just like the quote from Animal Farm: "All animals are equal, some animals are more equal than others".
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Old 04-17-2009, 08:06 AM
 
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yet another thing that always made me wonder...

If all are equal in the eyes of the Lord....then where does the Pope, saints, etc. fit in????

Just like the quote from Animal Farm: "All animals are equal, some animals are more equal than others".

i'm sure the pope has heard this story.
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Old 04-17-2009, 08:19 AM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Are saints justified?

If to be justified = saints, then all believers are saints!

Romans 10:10
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

Romans 3:28
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.
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Old 04-17-2009, 09:28 AM
 
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Are saints justified?

If to be justified = saints, then all believers are saints!

Romans 10:10
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

Romans 3:28
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.

so? and..?
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Old 04-17-2009, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Florida
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yet another thing that always made me wonder...

If all are equal in the eyes of the Lord....then where does the Pope, saints, etc. fit in????

Just like the quote from Animal Farm: "All animals are equal, some animals are more equal than others".
equal yes... outcomes are equal to individual personal investment, both with God and whatever else you invest in.

Equal opportunity does not guarantee equal results, nor should it.
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Old 04-17-2009, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I'm not a saint. I want to be heard.
and so does everyone else. You might have it backwards... maybe... just maybe you need to listen and observe.

the new math... we have 2 ears, 2 eyes and 1 mouth.

I'm just saying....
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