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“Mother of the Church” is a title of the Blessed Virgin Mary that was solemnly proclaimed
by Pope Paul VI at the closing address of the third session of the Second Vatican Council on November 21,1964. In this proclamation, the Holy Father made clear reference to Vatican II’s Dogmatic Constitution on
the Church, and this provided foundational teaching on the intimate relationship between Mary and the Church.
In his address, Pope Paul VI said:
Therefore, for the glory of the Blessed Virgin and our consolation, we declare most holy Mary
Mother of the Church, that is of the whole Christian people, both faithful and pastors, who call
her a most loving Mother; and we decree that henceforth the whole Christian people should, by
this most sweet name, give still greater honor to the Mother of God and address prayers to her.
Four years later, Pope Paul VI used this title in his profession of faith commonly known as the “Credo of the People of God”:
We believe that the Most Holy Mother of God, the new Eve, the Mother of the Church, carries on in heaven her maternal role with regard to the members of Christ, cooperating in the birth and development of divine life in the souls of the redeemed (no. 15; cf. Catechism, no. 975).
What man think was Eve's problem in the beginning.
Romans 3:4 can't be preached enough.
God know and man just think only.
When philosophy conflicts God then you got folks thinking they smarter then God like Eve.
Eve should be a good bible lesson for the intellectuals today.
Matthew 5:18 is a good bible lesson for the intellectuals today.
Resolution or harmony with the book here is going to be accomplished with John 10 people only.
Then we can preach Psalms 133:1 and have a dance party like David.
Unity weakens the kingdom of the devil and causes a city length uproar to unfold like it was with Jason in the book of Acts.
The devil don't mind converts if it's counterfeit unity in Christ.
It's when converts get strong in numbers with the real move of God with John 10 people.
That's when you'll get kicked out the neighborhood and have to shake the dust off your shoes for a testimony against a city or town.
Matthew preaching that and perhaps other apostles or writers in the book.
The bible testimony of Christ can't be defeated we got Matthew 13:57 for a bible witness for John 10 people.
We may be a family outcast and hometown outcast but we somebody in Christ says Romans 8:28 or so.
We may not be an Elvis Presley to do autographies for people but Romans 8 say we still somebody in Christ.
We may not be on the shelf and wall for the hall of fame but we somebody in Christ says Romans 8.
We may be the small tiny minority for God but we somebody in Christ says Romans 8.
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Originally Posted by carolina_guy
This was brought up in another thread, so I thought I would start a new one. John MacArthur says the following:
However there is no biblical references discouraging men to speak in the church
The lack of support for the idea, (Such as men can stand up and speak when and where they might want), is not the same as a reason to allow it.
You cant say that just because the Bible does not clearly ban something, that this automatically means it has to be fine with God
Paul was writing about girls talking and making too much noise that people were getting up set.
Paul tells the girls to ask their husbands when they get home.
If Paul was thinking that all the men could stand up and talk whenever they wanted, then there is no point in waiting to get home to hear your husband's answers.
Think about that...
If Paul held that all men could talk whenever they wanted, then-
The wife could ask right in the middle of the worship service and her husband could turn around to her (Remember the women and kids were behind a screen) and call out to her the answers.
That would be nutz!
You cant have worship in that situation!
In their churches, the girls sit in the back behind a screen because according to Jewish tradition a man can not pray in front of a woman.
Paul was just saying to "Keep it down back there!"
"If you got a question, keep it to yourself and then you can ask your husband when you get home"
The lack of support for the idea, (Such as men can stand up and speak when and where they might want), is not the same as a reason to allow it.
You cant say that just because the Bible does not clearly ban something, that this automatically means it has to be fine with God
Paul was writing about girls talking and making too much noise that people were getting up set.
Paul tells the girls to ask their husbands when they get home.
If Paul was thinking that all the men could stand up and talk whenever they wanted, then there is no point in waiting to get home to hear your husband's answers.
Think about that...
If Paul held that all men could talk whenever they wanted, then-
The wife could ask right in the middle of the worship service and her husband could turn around to her (Remember the women and kids were behind a screen) and call out to her the answers.
That would be nutz!
You cant have worship in that situation!
In their churches, the girls sit in the back behind a screen because according to Jewish tradition a man can not pray in front of a woman.
Paul was just saying to "Keep it down back there!"
"If you got a question, keep it to yourself and then you can ask your husband when you get home"
I guess it really does depend on your interpretation of Paul's scripture. Although Paul does not say that it is fine for men to speak out in church he does not single out men, like he does with women, and so I believe that what Paul is saying is unfair to women and is sexist, but I do understand your interpretation of the matter also.
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