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Old 10-23-2009, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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True, He is no respecter of persons, but surely we call God "Father" for a reason don't you think?
I believe Gods nature contains both genders....we've given Him the name Father and I don't have a problem with that...I don't consider God a male in the sense of a human male. God is my creator or my parent which is both Father and Mother. And your point is???????
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:13 PM
 
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Where did GOD say that.....I see that Paul said he wanted these things....show me the scripture where it says GOD said it.

1 Tim 2:9 Likewise, I want (Paul wants) women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments,

10 but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness.
11 A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12 But I do not allow (Paul doesn't allow) a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
2 Tim 3:16-17 says all scripture is given by inspiration of God so God said it.

Plus, 1 Corinthians 14:34 does not say I want it says "let your women keep silence in the churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak"
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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2 Tim 3:16-17 says all scripture is given by inspiration of God so God said it.

Plus, 1 Corinthians 14:34 does not say I want it says "let your women keep silence in the churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak"
I believe that ALL scripture was written by inspiration....but we don't have ALL scripture....all we have is what the Church of Rome decided we should have.

Hmmmm....the last time I checked....I wasn't under the law anymore. It's nice to only show a part of the scripture when grasping for straws.

1 Cor 14:34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:29 PM
 
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I believe that ALL scripture was written by inspiration....but we don't have ALL scripture....all we have is what the Church of Rome decided we should have.

Hmmmm....the last time I checked....I wasn't under the law anymore. It's nice to only show a part of the scripture when grasping for straws.

1 Cor 14:34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.
Just as the law also says, which means this law says as well. It is a command that is reiterated in the new law. It is said in this law and also in that one. The new testament is a perfect "law" (james 1:25). Both are laws and both state that women are to keep silent in the church. I am not tryin to be mean I am just studyin the scriptures as you are. I love women and they are just as important as I am. They have roles as well as the men, but the bible teaches that speaking out in church is not one of them.
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Utah
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I believe Gods nature contains both genders....we've given Him the name Father and I don't have a problem with that...I don't consider God a male in the sense of a human male. God is my creator or my parent which is both Father and Mother. And your point is???????
My point is that not being a "respecter" of persons in my opinion has nothing to do with gender. And now that you have responded with additional points of view, my point is, with respect for your right to believe as you will, that to me, God the Father is exactly that, the literal FATHER (male) of the spirit bodies that animate and integrate our physical bodies prior to their death.

But I understand that a lot of people have been confused about the nature of God the Father and our family relationship with Him, probably mainly because of certain 4th and 5th century creeds invented by groups of scholars seeking consensus, and promoted even today by some church leaders.

Jesus Christ who represented God the Father on earth was male, not a mysterious combination of male and female was he not?
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:33 PM
 
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In the early church the men sat close up front, and the women and little kids sat back behind a screen wall.

Telling the women to be quiet is a hint that there was a lot of talking and asking questions going on.

The way the women are told to ask their husbands when they get home also suggests that the "Women must be scielent" verse is talking about women interrupting the church service with questions.

This was a problem and telling the women to ask their husbands is still the best advice over interrupting the service of everyone else to ask a million questions.
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:36 PM
 
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Jesus Christ who represented God the Father on earth was male, not a mysterious combination of male and female was he not?
yea, I mean, what person on earth has ever been a mysterious combination of male and female?!?!? ohhhhhhhh wait, everyone. haha.
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:36 PM
 
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In the early church the men sat close up front, and the women and little kids sat back behind a screen wall.

Telling the women to be quiet is a hint that there was a lot of talking and asking questions going on.

The way the women are told to ask their husbands when they get home also suggests that the "Women must be scielent" verse is talking about women interrupting the church service with questions.

This was a problem and telling the women to ust ask their husbands is still the best advice over interupting the service of everyone else to ask a million questions.
This is a historical assumption and not a biblical fact. The reason the bible gives is "for it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church" (verse 35). Now I do agree that they were asking questions (as verse 35 hints to) but it does not say this is why they must speak. It does not say if they don't ask a question they can speak. Make sense?
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Just as the law also says, which means this law says as well. It is a command that is reiterated in the new law. It is said in this law and also in that one. The new testament is a perfect "law" (james 1:25). Both are laws and both state that women are to keep silent in the church. I am not tryin to be mean I am just studyin the scriptures as you are. I love women and they are just as important as I am. They have roles as well as the men, but the bible teaches that speaking out in church is not one of them.
The new law contains only two things....according to Jesus:

Love God with all your heart, soul and mind and Love your neighbor as yourself.

Man made law...doesn't apply.
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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My point is that not being a "respecter" of persons in my opinion has nothing to do with gender. And now that you have responded with additional points of view, my point is, with respect for your right to believe as you will, that to me, God the Father is exactly that, the literal FATHER (male) of the spirit bodies that animate and integrate our physical bodies prior to their death.

But I understand that a lot of people have been confused about the nature of God the Father and our family relationship with Him, probably mainly because of certain 4th and 5th century creeds invented by groups of scholars seeking consensus, and promoted even today by some church leaders.

Jesus Christ who represented God the Father on earth was male, not a mysterious combination of male and female was he not?
That a new one on me....I've heard of God being called Father and considered the male and the earth being called Mother and considered the female...this is common in Mysticism. I'm not sure where you are going with your thought. I believe Gods spirit is in me now....and I'm not quite sure what you mean by... literal FATHER (male) of the spirit bodies that animate and integrate our physical bodies prior to their death.

You believe there is more than one spirit that enters the body?
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