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::Sigh::If the principle of carnality and the need for carnal milk is valid . . . it is certainly valid for unbelievers. Are you suggesting that unbelievers were less carnal than the believers???Are they likely to be less "infants" in Christ than believers???? The principle regarding the content of the message is universal for all carnal-minded receivers . . . including those today who retain the carnal milk and ancient ignorance of our ancetors' barbaric beliefs about God and His motives.
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Do you believe Paul thought his letter would be appropriate for unbelievers?
Just because I specifically write to someone does not restrict my comments to apply to only that person unless I specifically say YOU.
And I understand in Greek there is a singular you and an inclusive you......sort of like the southern......y'all, and all y'all.
If I write my kids and say I love everyone it does not mean, I love just the recipient(s) of the letter I'm writing. When those of us write on this forum that God will save everyone, we are NOT saying God will save only those people who read this forum. Now if I said everyone will get a treat tomorrow, ESPECIALLY those who were on their good behavior, it does not mean ONLY those who behaved well get a treat tomorrow. it means EVERYONE will get a treat and possibly the ones who behaved well will get cake AND ice cream too. It does not mean that some will get spanked.
But unless one understands that God works His Plan for Creation within the framework of ages (Plural) and not everyone is called to be a vessel of honor in the same age, or understand that judgment IS NOT permanent sentencing to horrific torture but exposure to whatever is necessary to cause remorse and repentance and light and truth to shine out of the most hateful soul. Nothing is impossible for God and to considre that God rejects his own creation....and He is the creator, nothing exists that was not created by God, is to not know God for He IS Love and every attribute He possesses will result in good for His creation, even the temporary and purposeful wrath and judgment. Crying will happen for a night, but JOY cometh in the morning......his wrath is temporary but His love is forever and will not fail. There are NO chances for salvation and completion for it was a done deal before life was ever breathed into the very first creature. God is great and greatly to be praised.
that is your interpretation from what you BELIEVE God is doing. I don't see where Paul confined what He said God is doing and going to do.
I believe God has a plan for ALL creation........our wills have very little impact on the will of God. That is what I have come to see........He is awesome and He is patient and kind and He is love and if you can think that a perfect creator would throw away any part of His creation, well, your joy and surprise will be all the more wonderful when you find out how rich His love and kindness really is. Have a nice day.
that is your interpretation from what you BELIEVE God is doing. I don't see where Paul confined what He said God is doing and going to do.
Then you are ignoring the words Paul used. He was very specific as to whom the letter was addressed. It has nothing to do with "interpretation". Believers will be judged differently than non-believers. In 1 Cor. 3 (and other places), Paul describes believer's judgement, based on their works, post-salvation. Non-believers judgement is described in Rev. 20.
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I believe God has a plan for ALL creation........our wills have very little impact on the will of God. That is what I have come to see........He is awesome and He is patient and kind and He is love
I agree with the bolded.
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and if you can think that a perfect creator would throw away any part of His creation, well, your joy and surprise will be all the more wonderful when you find out how rich His love and kindness really is. Have a nice day.
No, I don't believe in universal salvation. There are too many scriptures passages that say otherwise.
God did not say he will NOT have all mankind to be saved. He said He will have all mankind to be saved.
God did not say He is NOT the Saviour of all mankind, ONLY them that believe. He said He IS the Saviour of all mankind ESPECIALLY (not exclusively) them that believe. See 1 Timothy 2:4-6; 4:10.
Interesting that Matthew Henry does not understand the two passages in view. First of all, even if God just DESIRED all mankind to be saved, we know He will still do that for the Bible says "All My desire I will do" (Isa.45:10).
Not only that, but the reason God says He will save all mankind and WILL bring all mankind into a knowledge of the truth is because Christ ransomed all of them (1 Tim.2:6). God never said "I will save all mankind only if they save themselves."
Now let's see, Matthew Henry believes if one is not saved it is their own fault. Therefore he must believe if one is saved it is all due to that person saving himself. God only made salvation possible according to Henry. All thanks to the allmighty free will!
John 3:17 actually proves all mankind must be saved.
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I believe you are misinterpreting the Timothy passage and John 3:17. All CAN be saved, but not all WILL. Read the rest of John 3.
1 Timothy 2:4-6 and 4:10 does not say "God CAN save all mankind" or "God CAN be the Saiour of all mankind."
You are inserting your philosophical ideas into those two verses to make them say what you want them to say.
1 Timothy 2:4-6 and 4:10 does not say "God CAN save all mankind" or "God CAN be the Saiour of all mankind."
You are inserting your philosophical ideas into those two verses to make them say what you want them to say.
And you are doing the same.
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