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Proof? PROOF?! Are you even human? How can anyone choose which sex they're sexually attracted to? Do you believe a heterosexual male can choose to become homosexual? That he could choose to change his heart so that it would be able to love a man they we he used to love a woman? That he could cause blood to flow to his penis in response to a man rather than a woman? Get real!
Proof? PROOF?! Are you even human? How can anyone choose which sex they're sexually attracted to? Do you believe a heterosexual male can choose to become homosexual? That he could choose to change his heart so that it would be able to love a man they we he used to love a woman? That he could cause blood to flow to his penis in response to a man rather than a woman? Get real!
Yep I chose to be a heterosexual woman.
Maybe I should try harder to see women in a different light ! After all we do look better naked or so my very heterosexual fiance keeps telling me ! I have obviously been missing out on fun with the Ladies. Darn I thought I had been born Hetero but it seems sexuality is a choice !
Seriously Denverian, when will you learn ?
Being Gay is a terrible, terrible crime , a proclivity so appalling that all sense of proportion must be lost when it is mentioned in so called polite society.
An unatural obsession only matched in "un-naturalness" by the almost pathological obsession with other people's sexual orientation from some quarters....
Now go in the corner, pass "go", do not collect 200 points and head straight to jail with a dunce's cap on your beautiful but silly, silly little head.
Heaven forbid someone would know better than the judgemental holier than thou all knowing crowd !
I'm off to see if I can chose to look at naked women with even the mildest form of interest. Wish me luck because so far it has failed.
41 years and my choice of heterosexuality seems to have stuck. I haven't met the right girl yet obviously. Maybe I could be de-programmed ?
Do you think there is still help for me or I am just too stubborn in my "choice" ?
Well I have always found Audrey Hepburn impossibly beautiful ... Am I Gay ?
Your Penis must be trained to respond as others wish it to. Blood flow must be halted unless a Lovely Lady is in the vicinity.
If it makes you feel better my heterosexual loving , faithful and deeply committed 20 year old relationship outside of Wedlock is considered an immoral proclivity too ! I too am a sinner. There I was thinking we were good together, in Love and Happy but it was all a sham built on sexual immorality and depraved behaviour.
Maybe I should try harder to see women in a different light ! After all we do look better naked or so my very heterosexual fiance keeps telling me ! I have obviously been missing out on fun with the Ladies. Darn I thought I had been born Hetero but it seems sexuality is a choice !
Seriously Denverian, when will you learn ?
Being Gay is a terrible, terrible crime , a proclivity so appalling that all sense of proportion must be lost when it is mentioned in so called polite society.
An unatural obsession only matched in "un-naturalness" by the almost pathological obsession with other people's sexual orientation from some quarters....
Now go in the corner, pass "go", do not collect 200 points and head straight to jail with a dunce's cap on your beautiful but silly, silly little head.
Heaven forbid someone would know better than the judgemental holier than thou all knowing crowd !
I'm off to see if I can chose to look at naked women with even the mildest form of interest. Wish me luck because so far it has failed.
41 years and my choice of heterosexuality seems to have stuck. I haven't met the right girl yet obviously. Maybe I could be de-programmed ?
Do you think there is still help for me or I am just too stubborn in my "choice" ?
Well I have always found Audrey Hepburn impossibly beautiful ... Am I Gay ?
Your Penis must be trained to respond as others wish it to. Blood flow must be halted unless a Lovely Lady is in the vicinity.
If it makes you feel better my heterosexual loving , faithful and deeply committed 20 year old relationship outside of Wedlock is considered an immoral proclivity too ! I too am a sinner. There I was thinking we were good together, in Love and Happy but it was all a sham built on sexual immorality and depraved behaviour.
LOL! I'll believe they (evangelical fundies) can convert a 'mo to a 'tro if they first convert James Dobson (assuming here that he's actually heterosexual) to a flaming drag queen who finds a male domestic partner!
LOL! I'll believe they (evangelical fundies) can convert a 'mo to a 'tro if they first convert James Dobson (assuming here that he's actually heterosexual) to a flaming drag queen who finds a male domestic partner!
Maybe we should all aim to be bisexual, that way no sexual favouritism can be impugned upon us ?!
Amazing anyone would believe people "chose" to be Gay, as it makes no logical sense whatsoever unless you are willing to be abused, derided, mocked, ostracised , socially excluded, and judged. I don't know anyone who would incur the social stigma of homosexuality , all the hatred, intolerance and bigotry which usually accompanies it, familial rejection , the risk of losing your job, your friends etc... simply because , well men /women appeal to you sexually.
I know sex is pretty darn good but surely not THAT good ?!?
Seeing how putrid some of the posters views are on the subject I would have thought "choice" is not the word which springs to mind.
I have heard quite a few people say that it is a "fad", a social trend of sorts, which does not explain the fact that homosexuality is common in Nature as it has been throughout human history.
No amount of social disapproval or bigotry has ever eradicated it which to me implies it is utterly Natural. Such a strong imperative and so not based on "choice" that it goes against the very nature of social "survival" and "acceptance" in many societies.
What others do in the bedroom seems to prove so utterly fascinating to some and pointing the finger is so prevalent that it does really make me ponder the reason behind all this obsessing.
I could not care less what my neighbour does in bed as long as no one is harmed and it is between consenting individuals.
I am however extremely concerned about the shrill bigotry and judgemental behaviour of people who have seemingly nothing better to do than wag their fingers .
Concerned about people who find war, poverty, slavery and exploitation less of an issue than whether a man loves another man ( woman loves another woman). Concerned about a world which seeks to demonise love and sex simply because it does not fit some tiny narrow minded view of the world. Concerned about the lack of fellow feeling and empathy, tolerance and acceptance. Concerned about hatred and villification of the other and the absence of action on really serious issues which concern us all instead.
I find men sexually attractive. It is not a choice , it is my natural make up. I do not have the slightest bit of interest in the Ladies. I know what my body and my heart feels and I personally extend this courtesy to anyone on earth.
Anyone who is Gay is in my opinion just like me , just like anyone else. Wanting to be loved and to give love, wanting to have fulfilling relationship , emotional and sexual.
Some Gay people are good, some are bad, just like Heterosexuals. Our sexuality is not what marks us as depraved or perverted but the content of our character and the way we lead our lives. Our actions /words towards others are what mark us as decent human beings.
Sex is natural, fun and pleasurable. Human sexuality like human emotions is incredibly complex and I refuse to be told what is "natural" and not "natural" based on some people's vision of their perfect little world where we are all the same , all robots , all so "stepfordish" .
Love is Love. Sex is Sex. Love is also sex. My Gay friends are no perverted freaks , they like me are human beings with virtues and flaws like everyone else. We all love, hate, suffer, feel joy and pain, sadness and sorrow, we all grieve and bleed the same blood, we all have our petty and vindictive sides, our glorious brave and selfless acts and we all weep and mourn when a loved one dies.
I am so fed up with the "them and us" attitude as it certainly does not reflect my world. A polychrome world is so much more enticing and attractive than one where we all conform to a narrow social expectation of what "right" is.
I might be an Atheist who lives "in sin" but I count myself as a deeply moral human being, regardless of my sexual proclivities ( having sex with my beloved of 20 years out of wedlock, might as well stone me) and if some are too churlish to even see that then quite frankly those people are worthless to me.
I may not chose my sexuality but I certainly can chose those I associate with or respect.
How can I respect people who have no respect for others ? Respect goes both ways. Why is it that I am supposed to respect fundamentalist Christians but the reverse is not true ? Something does not quite add up...
Proof? PROOF?! Are you even human? How can anyone choose which sex they're sexually attracted to? Do you believe a heterosexual male can choose to become homosexual? That he could choose to change his heart so that it would be able to love a man they we he used to love a woman? That he could cause blood to flow to his penis in response to a man rather than a woman? Get real!
Look at the prisons, are you saying all those men are gay? Come on now, we can all control who we are attracted to as well as who we love and to deny that is to make the Lord a liar.
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I say to those people that this is for investigational/educational purposes, and to learn how/why you came to believe as you do.
No this is not investigative and educational, it is blatantly apostate and seeks opinions of others to make the apostates feel good about their sin.
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For those to whom this thread is directed, I suppose I'd like to hear why you believe it's okay to be gay and how you reconcile that to what the Bible says. Do you believe the usual Bible verses used to condemn it (also called "clobber passages") have been misinterpreted? And if so, in what way?
No one is answering this, instead they are giving opinion and ignoring the truth.
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Of particular note, Isaiah 5:20 says "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil." Explain to me how you view that in light of homosexuality.
Go to John 3:16-21 and you will find what Jesus said about it.
I have answered you OP which apperantly you cannot seem to stick to when the opinion does not agree with yours. Read you own OP and stop making false accusations.
Proof? PROOF?! Are you even human? How can anyone choose which sex they're sexually attracted to? Do you believe a heterosexual male can choose to become homosexual? That he could choose to change his heart so that it would be able to love a man they we he used to love a woman? That he could cause blood to flow to his penis in response to a man rather than a woman? Get real!
I live with a gay man (as his roommate), and there is NO WAY he could "go straight" - even for a million dollars. Trust me, you'd believe it if you knew this guy.
Please point out one spot where this topic has been answered. I see nowhere that anyone has been able to reconcile being homosexual with the Bible or Christian faith.
Because deep down inside I do believe in and accept the teachings of Jesus, and recognize Him as my Lord and the one who made the way for my salvation. If it weren't for that central truth, I'd look to other religions.
The thing is, true followers of Jesus cannot hate. There are certain Christian groups that profess God hates gays and lesbians, and I don't recognize them as legitimate believers. I see them as fanatics, much like Muslim terrorists. I don't consider Islam itself to be a violent religion, but some of its adherents are.
Other believers are, I believe, seriously misinformed in their views and therefore believe it is their duty to correct others who don't share their views. I see them as almost "brainwashed", so to speak, into believing a certain way...and when someone is brainwashed, it's very difficult to reason with them and make them see any other viewpoint than their own.
I don't believe hatred of gays and lesbians is representative of true Christian spirituality. As I see it, it's not I that needs to abandon my faith, but rather they who need to abandon their hatred.
For Christians there are two lives to be led, one among sinners and one among brothers and sisters. Among sinners, the duty of the Christian is to proselytize and show the example of Jesus (an impossible task by the way). Among brothers and sisters, Christian life is as if they are one big family. In that family there are rules to be maintained and those who refuse to abide by those rules are to be cast out of the group until they repent.
While Christians are called to love first and foremost, love is not unconditional. Jesus says He rebukes us because He loves us. That doesn't mean he accepts, approves, or freely forgives unrepentant behaviors. It merely means He will rebuke us to get us back on track and if we refuse, the consequences are on us.
You also need to understand that God is offended by sexual deviancy. This is not reserved to gays alone and in fact, if you count the numbers of gays/straights, it's the straights who are probably racking up the most sins when it comes to sex. Just as the Bible condemns homosexuality, it condemns bestiality, simple fornication, incest, adultery, and a myriad of other sexual sins.
What you see as hate is contempt at the attempt to whitewash a sin as normal, natural, a gift of God, and so on. A true Christian will pray in his heart of heart for any sinner to turn away from their sins but they will detest the sin nonetheless because it separates men from God and our (all mankind) relationship with God is of the utmost importance.
We are all burdened by temptations. Temptation in and of itself is not a sin. Jesus was tempted by Satan but we know Jesus was free of sin. The problem lies with lusting or giving into temptations. While you may argue that it's your nature and you have no control over it, that is no excuse. Just as I have no excuse to act on my temptations and lust after others. As a married man, I cannot justify lusting after other women though it's very much a part of my nature to do so. I have to take control of my temptations and refuse to act on them instead of making justifications as to why I should be able to ignore God's Word and act on my nature. You might be surprised by the number of Christian men who struggle with sexual desires that are forbidden and I wouldn't be surprised if Christian women aren't constantly tempted.
We are not promised by God to not be tempted or to have a perfect nature. He merely has made the greatest sacrifice in history, the sacrifice of His Son, and promised that we can free from the bonds of sin if we simply accept Him. But even that's not so simple because if we accept Him, me must abandon many of those things we hold dear; many of those things we identify as a part of ourselves.
My last point is to be supremely careful in stifling those opinions you'd rather no here. It may place you in a precarious position.
2 Timothy 4:3
"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."
As one of those fundamentalist-type of Christians, I have no love of other faiths but I have to admit that Muslims have one thing right and that is that we must all submit to God. To have that beautiful relationship with God we must understand that He is omniscient (among other unique attributes) and that while we may not understand our burdens now, what He asks of us is for our own good.
Lastly, Christians are far from perfect which means our behavior is far from perfect. Much of the Christian hate you experience is often poorly executed passion attempting to save you.
For what it's worth.
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I have obviously been missing out on fun with the Ladies. Darn I thought I had been born Hetero but it seems sexuality is a choice ! 
