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Old 06-23-2015, 08:43 PM
 
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They know their scripture as written by the watch tower!
Jehovah's Witnesses are encouraged to read God's Word daily. Many Witnesses have more than one Bible translation.
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Old 06-23-2015, 08:46 PM
 
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Holidays are not an expression or requirement of the Christian faith, they are cultural events. Participating in the culture you live in if fine as long as it does not contradict love and morality. Mardi Gras might be a problem.......
Then no one should object to JWs non participation in holidays.
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Old 06-23-2015, 08:51 PM
 
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There is a fundamental difference with JW's. Its a cult. They punish people for leaving. They punish people who differ with them. Its a cult that works to keep control over the mind, their life and everything they have, that's why there is such uniformity among them. You stray, you're out, and you're cut off from all contact with other JW's even if its your immediate family.

"...if you believe in it, it is a religion or perhaps 'the' religion;
and if you do not care one way or another about it, it is a sect;
but if you fear and hate it, it is a cult." Leo Pfeffer

"We recommend that people develop a healthy skepticism when they hear someone refer to a religious groups as a "cult". A new faith group may be being attacked:
because they don't believe in the Trinity, or

because they are non-Christian, like two thirds of the world's population, or

because they expect a major commitment from their membership, or

because they are one of those rare, destructive, doomsday groups that have shown themselves to be dangerous to their membership." -http://www.religioustolerance.org/cultintro.htm
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Old 06-23-2015, 08:58 PM
 
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Actually they shun anyone who leaves. I know family members aren't supposed to even communicate with an ex Jehovah's witness.
There is a big big difference between someone who leaves because, as an example, they unrepentantly commit adultery abandoning their wife and children to pursue their own selfish desires and one who leaves because they are discouraged by the behavior of some within the group.

1 Corinthians 6:9.10

Acts 3;19, 26:20

1 Corinthians 5:6,11-13
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Old 06-23-2015, 09:16 PM
 
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A prophet must be unerring 100% of the time. They don't have a great track record. There is no triune G-d for a JW, three in one. There are only 144K who get into heaven. They work diligently to be one of the 144K. There is no law under Jesus Christ. Grace saves.
If one or some say there is a good chance the sun will rise tomorrow based on the evidence we have thus far-prophesy or prediction?

If one or some say God spoke to me in a riddle and/or came to me in a dream and/or sent an angel and told me the sun will rise tomorrow-prophesy or prediction?


This all alludes to the false prophet label bandied about by some (it's been debunked move on).

Jehovahs Witnesses work diligently at following the footsteps of Christ. The head of every JW is not the Watchtower or the governing body or the elders, etc. It is Christ. Period. Some go to heaven however the rest have the prospect of living on earth. Either way works out just fine.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in the Trinity because we obey Jesus and take him at his word and we accept God's Word on the matter:

"the Father is greater than I." John 14:28

"Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”-Matthew 4:10


You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah,“Yes, my servant whom I have chosen,So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One.Before me no God was formed,
And after me there has been none." -Isaiah 43:10



"Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet.And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing.For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him.But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone." 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 (this is clear as day. You would have to spin it to fit a Triune doctrine for those of us who understand there is only one Almighty God...no spinning required).
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Old 06-23-2015, 09:33 PM
 
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Pagans worship the SUN God not the only begotten SON of God - God manifest in the flesh. It is Satan's counterfeit "Savior" with Nimrod being the first deification manifest as Tammuz. The Bible specifically names Tammuz reverence as an abomination.

It is because true Christianity is NOT Pagan. Constantine married the "church" with the world it what you see now in Catholisicm but this is NOT Biblical Christianity. Just pick up a Bible and read. Christ is coming back to pluck up the Pagan obelisks (Malachi) at the Vatican and elsewhere.

I advise the JWs to continue in researching the truth. What Spiritual tribe are you from? You will never know because it is talking about PHYSICAL Israel. God will once again turn to them (romans 11:25) when the fullness of the gentiles come in.

No one "in Christ"is subject to bondage to ANY institution, but we are in LOVE bondage to Christ and others.

If someone is trying to put you in religious bondage to them RUN not walk. Jesus has the keys to Heaven not the Watchtower society who claim Jesus is in the secret chambers (Matt 24)
I agree. No one should feel that they are in bondage when serving God.

"God loves a cheerful giver." -2 Corinthians 9:7

JWs most certainly believe that exercising faith in Jesus means salvation (John 14:6,John 3:16)

To understand Romans 11:25 correctly we only need to look at what was written in the SAME BOOK.

“He is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a written code.”- Romans 2:28,29

"“Not all who spring from Israel are really ‘Israel.’-Romans 9:6

Physical Israel has no more bearing on God's plan than any other nation

Matthew 21:42,43, 23:37,38
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Old 06-24-2015, 07:30 AM
 
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"the Father is greater than I." John 14:28
This scripture is really death to the Trinity as Jesus said great than "I" am. The use of "I" refers to the person not his body or nature. He uses the Greek term "ego" which refers to the being, not just a nature or even a body. The constant answer from Trinitarians fails as they say he was just talking about his human nature. Nope, language forbids that twisted excuse. He also made it plain that when he returns to heaven that God is still ... his God. Thus superior to him in heaven. Next the word "greater" is meizon which is a superlative and means in effect greater as in better/superior and not just in rank. We see the same word used of the temple and gold, which is greater is asked. It isn't value or rank, Gold VS stone, it is the Temple being superior/greater.

Talk about blindly obeying their leaders and bowing to man made decrees, Trinitarians set the example in such by following that man made doctrine.
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