Let's Hear From The Guys Who Read & Write Hebrew (Torah, paradise)

[Birdy_56]

The Jewish Encyclopedia

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Gehenna

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Question?

What do we learn from the Jews regarding gehenna?

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by Birdy_56

The Jewish Encyclopedia

HERE

Gehenna

HERE

Question?

What do we learn from the Jews regarding gehenna?

They may have been ignorant concerning their Messiah but certainly new exactly what Gehenna meant ?

So how come us lot who profess to know the Messiah not only don't know what Gehenna means but refuse to acknowledge what it means

[Birdy_56]

Originally Posted by pcamps

They may have been ignorant concerning their Messiah but certainly new exactly what Gehenna meant ?

So how come us lot who profess to know the Messiah not only don't know what Gehenna means but refuse to acknowledge what it means

Pcamps, I believe our Lord is correct: "no man can receive anything unless it be given him from above." This has been a fairly long road for Birdbrain. I still marvel how the Living One has managed to hide Himself from my gaze until His good timing and purpose has lead me to "see" Him in a fresh dimension. Oh, He can truly work a patience in us for other dorks just like we are.

[Birdy_56]

Gehenna By The Guys Who Read, Write, and Speak Hebrew

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What is to be learned from the guys who read and write Hebrew (The Jewish Encyclopedia: Gehenna)

1. Hell like paradise was created by God and was "very good" and thus created on the sixth day.

2. Opinions on this vary, according to some sources, it was created on the second day.

To be continued.....

[dcisive]

Simple, because the typical christian reads from greek translations and does NOT dig looking further into the Hebrew to find the TRUE intent of what was being said along with the Hebraic understanding. The Talmadim (apostles) most certainly wrote it that way, and yet (mostly due to the influences of the early church of rome) christians are doomed to mistranslations and misunderstandings. Imagine starting to read from Genesis on, from a Hebrew mindset (as it was written originally) the endless light that would be shed upon scripture.

Like Rav Shaul (Paul) never forsaking following of his roots along with the rest of the Talmadim (contrary to christian teaching) and realizing that the Messiah did NOT teach against Torah but upheld it completely and perfectly. That the Messiah continued to partake of HIS Jewish roots till the very day of HIS death. That the so called "Law" referred to in so much of the Brit Chadash (so called new Testament) which was mostly quotation from the Tanach, the 1st 5 books of Moses, Psalms and Prophets, which is what the Jewish people of the time taught and followed minus the man added legalism of the Pharisees which Messiah fought against. Hmm imagine that, HE didn't come to start a new religion but bring HIS people, the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel and the Hebrew understandings to fullness. Gee what a concept. Huh and to think it's all right there in print in the Hebrew and Aramaic. Who would have thought.

[Ironmaw1776]

Its interesting to note all that is believed about Geheena by the Jews is based on midrash and talmud ... The talmud is exposition of Jewsish oral traditions since the Babylonian captivity, untill they were finally written down in the 2nd and 5th century CE.

[Birdy_56]

Gehenna, Nature & Situation: By The Guys Who Read, Write & Speak Hebrew

Continuation

3. The fiery furnace that Abraham saw was Gehenna.

4. Gehenna has a gate: it was in Zion.

5. Gehenna actually has three gates (3)....one in the sea, one in the wilderness and one in Jerusalem.

6. The gate lies between two palm trees, from which smoke is continually rising.

7. The mouth is narrow but below extends indefinitely.

8. According to one opinion it is above the firmament: according to another behind the dark mountains.

9. It is situated deep down in the earth and is immeasurably large.

10. The earth is 1/60th of the garden, the garden 1/60th of Eden, Eden 1/60th of Gehenna.

11. Some say Gehenna cannot be measured.

12. It is divided into seven compartments: a similar view held by the Babylonians.

To be continued......

[Birdy_56]

Gehenna: by the guys who read, write and speak Hebrew

-Nature & Situation Continued.-

13. The fire of the sun receives its glow from the extent of Gehenna.

14. A fiery stream falls on the heads of sinners: this is the fire of the West.

15. The waters of the springs of Tiberias are heated as they flow by Gehenna.

16. The fire of Gehenna never goes out because there is always plenty of wood there.

17. The fire is 60 times as hot as any earthly fire.

18. The Tiberian medicinal spring is connected to Gehenna.

19. Gehenna is dark regardless of the immense masses of fire: it is like night.

20. It is assumed there is an angel-prince in charge of Gehenna.

Judgment

1. In general all sinners go to hell immediately after their death.

2. The pious go to paradise, and sinners to hell.

3. To every individual is apportioned two shares, one in hell and one in paradise.

4. At death, however, the righteous man's portion in hell is exchanged for two in heaven.

5. The reverse is true for sinners.

6. The depths of Gehenna are commensurate with the depths of sinfulness.

7. There are three classes of men: the arch sinners, the wholly pious and those between the two classes.

8. Those who have sinned themselves, but not led others into sin, remain in Gehenna for 12 months.

9. After twelve months their bodies are destroyed, their souls burned, and the ashes strewn under the feet of the pious.

10. Regarding heretics: hell shall pass away, they shall not pass away.

11. All that descend into Gehenna shall come up again with the exception of three classes of men....

Those who have committed adultery, or shamed or vilified their neighbors.

12. The pious "rejoice" in the pains of hell suffered by sinners.

13. Abraham takes the damned to his bosom.

Please Note: The Jewish sinners are not touched by Gehenna.....why?

-to be continued-

[Birdy_56]

According to the Jewish Encyclopedia, the reason "Jewish sinners" are not touched by Gehenna is because...

"they confess their sins before the gates of hell and return to God."

It is chiefly the "heathen" who are cast into the fiery pool on the Day of Judgement.

1. According to the J.E., God puts back souls into dead bodies.

2. There will be "no Gehenna" in the future world....

However, God will take the sun out of its case to heal the pious with its rays, and with the same rays punish the sinners.

Sin & Merit

1. Unchastity will lead to Gehenna.

2. So also, adultery, idolatry, pride, mockery, hypocrisy and anger etc. leads to Gehenna.

3. Hell awaits one who.....

*****indulges in unseemly speech

*****who always follows the advice of his wife

*****who instructs an unworthy pupil

*****who turns away from the Torah

Merits That Preserve Man From Going To Hell=

1. Philanthropy

2. Fasting

3. Visiting the sick

4. Reading the Shema' and Hallel

5. Eating three meals on the Sabbath

6. Israelites in general are less endangered than heretics or the heathen.

Three Classes Of Men Do Not See The Face Of Hell

1. Those that live in penury.

Penury=

HERE

2. Those suffering from intestinal catarrh.

Intestinal=

HERE

catarrh=

HERE

3. Those pressed by their creditors.

Pressed=

HERE

[greentwiga]

Birdy -
That was interesting. Now I have read The Torah, the Prophets, the histories and the other writings, but most of what you wrote, I haven't seen. Where did you pull all these points from? A few looked like points from the New Testament, did you use that also? Thank you for all the work you put in.