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Old 07-09-2009, 11:08 AM
 
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If God does renew and restore the wicked in the end. If even Hitler and Stalin and Satan are redeemed in the end, will you as a Christian feel cheated or will you feel blessed?

It occurs to me that most Christians who believe in eternal torture even after having received all th facts concerning the erroneous translations and many various scriptures which state that the whole kosmos will be reconciled, do so only because they are invested somehow personally in the idea of eternal torture. It seems most Christians believe it to be in their personal interest that most humans will be ceaselessly tortured for ever. Like somehow that makes their struggle worth while. After all how can i be rich unless your poor right?

Would you feel cheated or blessed if God finally redeems and restores the wicked unbelievers?

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Old 07-09-2009, 11:13 AM
 
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No I wouldn't. We are fallen, perverted, warped who are we to say or know what is right. God is always good and right and whatever He does is good and right; that is more than sufficient for me.

I don't want God to be fair because if He was then Jesus would not have died in my place, took the punishment from God meant for me and I would be going to hell?
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Old 07-09-2009, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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If eternal hell is not true then what is the need for Christ. I wouldnt feel cheat because God knows best.
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Old 07-09-2009, 12:41 PM
 
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If eternal hell is not true then what is the need for Christ. I wouldnt feel cheat because God knows best.

The need for Christ is to remove our sin, and thereby save us from our sin, and the wages of that sin which is death.

Sin has real consequences, and I'm not talking about a mythical hell hole of eternal torture.

If you don't think sin has consequences, start lying to all your friends and see how long they stay your friends. And that is just a mild example.
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Old 07-09-2009, 12:49 PM
 
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If eternal hell is not true then what is the need for Christ. I wouldnt feel cheat because God knows best.
Because of death we need Christ, of course, not eternal torture.
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Old 07-09-2009, 12:51 PM
 
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The need for Christ is to remove our sin, and thereby save us from our sin, and the wages of that sin which is death.

Sin has real consequences, and I'm not talking about a mythical hell hole of eternal torture.

If you don't think sin has consequences, start lying to all your friends and see how long they stay your friends. And that is just a mild example.
how about you do your own dirty deed and not relly on someone else to do things FOR you! (ie. remove your sins!)

why should someone else pay for your mistakes!
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Old 07-09-2009, 12:54 PM
 
Location: New England
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how about you do your own dirty deed and not relly on someone else to do things FOR you! (ie. remove your sins!)

why should someone else pay for your mistakes!
Well if it was possible we may well have attempted to .

But is blood makes the foulest clean .
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Old 07-09-2009, 01:01 PM
 
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how about you do your own dirty deed and not relly on someone else to do things FOR you! (ie. remove your sins!)

why should someone else pay for your mistakes!

You cant work your way out of the hole your in. Your gonna die because you are a sinner. Just like the rest of us. We rely on him because there is no other option, and because we have learned to love him and trust him to renew all things in due time. I am not capable of truly renewing myself, much less anyone else. Even if you are an unbeliever, the spirit of God influences your life regardless. The rain falls and the sun rises on the righteous and unrighteous alike. Unbelievers may not be aware of Gods influence in their lives, but it is most certainly there, as sure as you draw breath.

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Old 07-09-2009, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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The need for Christ is to remove our sin, and thereby save us from our sin, and the wages of that sin which is death.

Sin has real consequences, and I'm not talking about a mythical hell hole of eternal torture.

If you don't think sin has consequences, start lying to all your friends and see how long they stay your friends. And that is just a mild example.
But if you are going to be save anyhow what is the need for Christ.
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Old 07-09-2009, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville,Florida
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There is a hell and if one does not turn their life over to the Lord through His Son Jesus Christ ,they will suffer eternal damnation. God does not like those who reject Him,harden their hearts and go the way of the world.

So the supposition by the OP doesn't pan and won't pan out because there is a real place called hell.
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