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There is one argument that I believe is in error towards the universalist point of view that is common between Christian Universalism and Unitarian Universalism.
and that is "All are saved anyway"
It appears that the perception of any universalist concept is that a sinner will be in heaven "anyway" without changing from their sinful state.
If that is what people think, then that is wrong. Some may object to the means by which people explain how all will be changed to a perfect state. but nevertheless, universalism is about the means by which we gain perfection.
So no worrys for our fearful brothers and sisters, you will be basking in paradise right along with all the people who were once imperfect but now are made perfect by the potter.
In the end what is the final destination of the sinnerwho died unrepentant? Not exactly a strawman but how you worded it. The only difference between the two is how one gets there, same result nonetheless.
In the end what is final destination of the sinner. Not exactly a strawman but how you worded it. The only difference between the two is how one gets there, same result nonetheless.
I was very specific about what is a strawman, your point is a valid one to address biblically, but thats not what I am addressing at this time, thats all I am pointing out.
If a person thinks that universalism teaches that ultimatly no one ever has to change by any means then that is a strawman to the concept.
If that is not what you think, then my point does not apply to you.
I was very specific about what is a strawman, your point is a valid one to address biblically, but thats not what I am addressing at this time, thats all I am pointing out.
If a person thinks that universalism teaches that ultimatly no one ever has to change by any means then that is a strawman to the concept.
If that is not what you think, then my point does not apply to you.
What it does teach is that no one will be eternally separated from God and that is a lie.
There is one argument that I believe is in error towards the universalist point of view that is common between Christian Universalism and Unitarian Universalism.
and that is "All are saved anyway"
It appears that the perception of any universalist concept is that a sinner will be in heaven "anyway" without changing from their sinful state.
If that is what people think, then that is wrong. Some may object to the means by which people explain how all will be changed to a perfect state. but nevertheless, universalism is about the means by which we gain perfection.
So no worrys for our fearful brothers and sisters, you will be basking in paradise right along with all the people who were once imperfect but now are made perfect by the potter.
Good OP.
All are not saved "any" way. That are saved God's way! And that way is through Jesus Christ.
In order for a person to be saved they must come to Christ and repent of their sins.
We "universalist's" just believe that God will accomplish that with every single person who ever existed, not just a few people throughout history. God will accomplish it on His time schedule, not ours.
Those who reject His offer of the free gift of salvation will be eternally separated from Him, and to say otherwise is a lie.
I say again God is OMNIPRESENT! Do you know what OMNIPRESENT means?
Also show me in scripture where anyone is seperated from God for eternity?
It seems to me those in the Lake of fire are tormented IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LAMB:
Rev 14:9 If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.
If i make my bed in hell he's there . Whithersoever though goest i am with you .
So the people in hell are saved?
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