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LOL.....Ya according to your "bible" I am very scriptural my friend. God ONLY saves those that BELIEVE....where in what I said, is being disobedient? hmmmmmmm?????????
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Originally Posted by Fundamentalist
How so other than your presuppostions and strawmans not to mention your ONE sole book you take translations from ONE man?
Dear disobedient one, as usual, not true.
If anyone cares to search my posts they will find I quote a number of different translations. But the Concordant Literal New Testament is in my estimation the more accurate.
So, disobedient one, when are you going to start taking the "dis" off of "disobedient" and start being obedient to Jesus?
He said to charge and teach that "God will have all mankind to be saved" and "God is the Saviour of all mankind, especially (not exclusively) them that believe (1 Tim.2:4-6; 4:10) THESE THINGS COMMAND AND TEACH.
If anyone cares to search my posts they will find I quote a number of different translations. But the Concordant Literal New Testament is in my estimation the more accurate.
So, disobedient one, when are you going to start taking the "dis" off of "disobedient" and start being obedient to Jesus?
He said to charge and teach that "God will have all mankind to be saved" and "God is the Saviour of all mankind, especially (not exclusively) them that believe (1 Tim.2:4-6; 4:10) THESE THINGS COMMAND AND TEACH.
LOL....So what if you use different books, that means nothing, it is your interpretation that is important.
I say that all the time. God saves the who world, THAT BELIEVES. What is so hard?
He said to charge and teach that "God will have all mankind to be saved" and "God is the Saviour of all mankind, especially (not exclusively) them that believe (1 Tim.2:4-6; 4:10) THESE THINGS COMMAND AND TEACH.
Hi Eusebius,
Gal 6:10 is a good parallel to 1 Tim 4:10.
Gal 6:10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.
Should we only do good to believers and bad to everyone else? Or should we do good to all people?
Eusebius, I notice that most UR's quotes from Paul come from 1 & 2 Timothy, written in Paul's later years. He seems to have soften his stance over the decades on hell-fire, removing himself from the earlier positions he held that sinners would suffer the wrath of God for their sins. In this he appears to have become double-minded, when all the epistles are taken together. Consequently, I'm uncomfortable reading him, when trying to determine the truth or fallacy of ET. Anyone else get this feeling of discomfort over Paul's teachings on UR?
Unfortunately, scripture contradicts scripture all over the place--hence, these raging debates with no resolution in sight. To everyone's credit, you all have solid scriptural foundation for your various positions. I find that commendable--and scary. We may all be searching out the mysteries, but I have serious doubts will get any of the answers until we stand in eternity. Satan and his minions have done a thoroughly excellent job of polluting God's Word so effectively that the real truths may never be uncovered in this life. So be it. The search goes on....and on...and on..and on....
When the bunch of us stand before God, 66.6666% of us will be wrong--33.3333% will be right. I hope the Lord has mercy on the 66.6666% who are wrong if the ET's turn out to be the ones who were right all along because the the other 66.6666% will have led an awful lot of souls down the path to eternal torment. Of course if the UR's turn out to be right we're all lying in a bed or roses without a worry in the world--this world and the one to come.
Thrillobyte ... I don't feel that the bible is so contrary as you do. Once it is accepted that judgment of fire is for the purpose of purification, then it all begins to make sense. Paul never once mentions Gehenna, is that simply because he didn't want to hurt peoples feelings? Or is it because Gehenna was not really an issue? Jesus used it in his ministry only a few times i believe in order to make an analogy of the destruction Israel would face, and the destruction at his second coming. The concept of hell in the afterlife is mysteriously missing when you realize that hades and sheol mean grave and not hell. And when you realize Gehenna is a literal place on earth.
The real problem is the institutional interpretation of scripture which we have from the traditional sources. It is in their interest to teach hell and eternal torture, because it insures their business which is the trafficking of souls to put it bluntly. They have to keep the laity afraid at all times in order to control them. The doctrines of eternal hell is nothing but a malicious control measure and is derived not from scripture, but from pagan fantasy and mythology.
Beloved you take one verse and entirely take it out of context . On the day of pentecost Peter said
36assuredly, therefore, let all the house of Israel know, that both Lord and Christ did God make him -- this Jesus whom ye did crucify.'
These people who Peter was preaching to, had rejected Jesus the Messiah to such a point they crucified Him.
These same disobedient members of the house of Israel then said after having their hearts pricked "what shall we do then ?"
James 2 verses 4, 8 and 9 says
4have ye not made a difference among yourselves, and become judges having evil thoughts?
8If indeed ye keep [the] royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well. 9But if ye have respect of persons, ye commit sin, being convicted by the law as transgressors.
Your god is discriminating , partial and a respector of persons and is manifested in you.
Somewhere appointed to unbelief : 1 pet 2:
And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
Thats because God has appointed them to wrath in opposite of the elect appointed to salvation..
1 thess 5:
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Those appointed to wrath, are simply those whom were not written in the book of life from the foundation..
I am presenting truth..which you reject for fables..
Your twisting of the scriptures is not even subtle it's blatantly obvious for all to see, even a spiritually dead man can see what you are saying is demonic.
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