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Old 08-07-2009, 08:07 AM
 
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Bob and Paul 1 Co.15 shows forth the difference between Christ and Adam, that is the whole point of those verses.

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Two bodies being spoken of, Adams and Christs

45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Adam first=natural, Christ second= spiritual


47The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Adam of the earth earthy, Christ the Lord from HEAVEN (celestial body)


48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy

Adam


: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

Christ

49And as we have borne the image of the earthy,

Adam

we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Christ

Saying I am talking things out of contexts is always the first defence, everyone seems to use it when they disagree with the other point of view.

But it really means nothing, just that other are not willing to look into something further.
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:11 AM
 
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Bob and Paul 1 Co.15 shows forth the difference between Christ and Adam, that is the whole point of those verses.

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Two bodies being spoken of, Adams and Christs

45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Adam first=natural, Christ second= spiritual


47The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Adam of the earth earthy, Christ the Lord from HEAVEN (celestial body)


48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy

Adam


: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

Christ

49And as we have borne the image of the earthy,

Adam

we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Christ

Saying I am talking things out of contexts is always the first defence, everyone seems to use it when they disagree with the other point of view.

But it really means nothing, just that other are not willing to look into something further.
So it is in the resurrection of the dead. "that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be..." Was Christ not sown a coruptible, mortal body and raised from the dead so that His body would not see corruption? "seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption." So Christ's flesh sown was corruptible and obviously mortal.
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:13 AM
 
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Sure God is a stand alone Spirit. Spirit is still "Being". What I said is that Satan is not A "being" which means that Satan is not a stand alone being. In other words if God doesn't exit then the Holy Spirit no longer exists, likewise if man no longer exists than Satan no longer exists.

There is no "beings" (plural) going into the swine. What is going into the swine is "being" - the different evil characteristics.

Paul
But you said the spirit being cannot stand outside of man.

So what were they doing going into swine?

I bet you don't beleive in angels (as spiritual stand alone) beings either.
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:17 AM
 
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So it is in the resurrection of the dead.
agreed we will be like Him in the resurrection, NEW BODIES, what type of BODIES, bodies of the HEAVENLY, were did Jesus come from, the HEAVENLIES.

I am NOT of this WORLD, I am from ABOVE, ye are from BELOW

Are heavenly bodies the same as our bodies? Not according to scripture.
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:20 AM
 
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So it is in the resurrection of the dead. "that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be..." Was Christ not sown a coruptible, mortal body and raised from the dead so that His body would not see corruption? "seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption." So Christ's flesh sown was corruptible and obviously mortal.
If Christ flesh was sown corruptible it SAW corruption, but as the scripture say his FLESH did NOT see CORRUPTION. Therefore His FLESH is NOT the same as ours.
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:30 AM
 
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If Christ flesh was sown corruptible it SAW corruption, but as the scripture say his FLESH did NOT see CORRUPTION. Therefore His FLESH is NOT the same as ours.
His flesh did not see corruption because God did not allow it to by raising Him from the dead. Was Christ's body mortal?
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:33 AM
 
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Bob and Paul 1 Co.15 shows forth the difference between Christ and Adam, that is the whole point of those verses.

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Two bodies being spoken of, Adams and Christs

45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Adam first=natural, Christ second= spiritual


47The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Adam of the earth earthy, Christ the Lord from HEAVEN (celestial body)


48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy

Adam


: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

Christ

49And as we have borne the image of the earthy,

Adam

we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Christ

Saying I am talking things out of contexts is always the first defence, everyone seems to use it when they disagree with the other point of view.

But it really means nothing, just that other are not willing to look into something further.
Again, Pneuma, let's deal with the verses you already mentioned. It says ONE KIND of FLESH for men. Your still trying to smash a square peg into a round hole (still trying to claim two types of flesh for men).

I didn't just say you were taking something out of context, I showed you why it was out of context. But answer me this:

Does 1Co 15:39 show that there is only ONE kind of flesh for men?

1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

Do you realize Pneuma, that if you want me to believe that Jesus has another flesh then it CAN ONLY mean that Jesus didn't come as a man (since that verse says they have one kind of flesh) or that the verse is wrong. That is the only two conclusions that can be drawn if your saying that Jesus had a different flesh.

Paul
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:35 AM
 
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But you said the spirit being cannot stand outside of man.


So what were they doing going into swine?

I bet you don't beleive in angels (as spiritual stand alone) beings either.
That Satan cannot stand outside of man. And yes I don't believe in stand alone beings called angels.

Paul
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:39 AM
 
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If Christ flesh was sown corruptible it SAW corruption, but as the scripture say his FLESH did NOT see CORRUPTION. Therefore His FLESH is NOT the same as ours.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Paul
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:44 AM
 
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His flesh did not see corruption because God did not allow it to by raising Him from the dead. Was Christ's body mortal?
Than explain how He was sown in corruption but did not see it.
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