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I find its a game of flip-flop. First its some will never accept Christ. God wants to save everyone but some will not come. Then you show them that everyone swears allegiance, and all of sudden now its too late. No no no its too late to come to Christ then, God won't accept it then.
Sheesh. Does God only really want everyone to be saved until everyone actually bows and swears allegiance to Him, and then sends half of them off to hell because its now too late? (Even though He really wants to save everyone). What kind of illogical doctrine is this?
Oops I used logic. Now I must be banished for thinking.
G'night all.
You used the word "logic" and that is what His Message actually is. It is very logical. God gave us "logic" and we use it every day but for some reason (God blinded them) they are unable to find it logical to believe that God has the power and desire to turn every heart towards Him.
God's will is to save everyone but you don't believe that do you?
Paul
It's God will that no one perish, but He lets us chose independence from Him even though He knows in time we will become slaves to our own rebellious life style.
"Should" does mean "will" in this case. Read it in the NASB or NIV:
Isaiah 45:22"Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;
For I am God, and there is no other.
23"I have sworn by Myself,
The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness
And will not turn back,
That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.
Romans 14:11 For it is written,
"AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME,
AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD."
Phil 2:10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
God has declared that every tongue that ever existed will swear allegiance to Him. This is a willing oath of loyalty. They will gladly give praise and honor and worship.
Why, pray tell, would those destined for eternal hell willingly swear an oath of loyalty to God?
Actually for the sake of searching it out, I have looked at that verse in the greek, and the words, shall, will, should, whatever is not in the greek. So?
I believe God has the power to accomplish His will. Romans 1:24-32 tells us people chose to reject God and He allowed them to do so.
Yes, He allows to them to do so now, ILNC but in the end, His will will be done. He works all things according to the counsel of His own will. (Ephesians 1) If you believe that He has the power to accomplish His will, that He is able to convict, convince, persuade, win all to Himself, why would He allow them to remain blinded and deceived, under the domain of the enemy? Who has the power to open eyes? Why wouldn't He is will have all to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth? God bless.
Last edited by ShanaBrown; 07-31-2009 at 10:20 PM..
Actually for the sake of searching it out, I have looked at that verse in the greek, and the words, shall, will, should, whatever is not in the greek. So?
Even so, don't you think God will try to persuade all men towards salvation via Jesus Christ?
Paul
Of course, which is why Jesus was sent here to begin with. Otherwise the promise would still be just a promise. The promise was fulfilled, completely.
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even though you're wrong about the touchy subject. 
Does God only really want everyone to be saved until everyone actually bows and swears allegiance to Him, and then sends half of them off to hell because its now too late? (Even though He really wants to save everyone). What kind of illogical doctrine is this?
