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Sorry but that was a load of garbage. You totally misrepresented what it says, and to base your doctrine on the last book of the bible, written in such a way only the Spirit could give it's meaning...sad indeed. Verse 10 and on, are back in the now. Listen to what is being said to John. "Do not seal up the words of prophesy of this book, for the time is near". Anything after this applys to the now, not future. Reread Chapter 21:27 while this beauty is still being displayed. Major exclusion going on.
So you are saying the New Jerusalem has already come down, the Great White Throne judgment is already passed, ya good luck with that.
But let’s suppose you are right, have you never read this scripture.
Ecclesiastes 1:9-10
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. 10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
oh ya I forgot to say the dogs do not enter in as dogs but are changed into children of God once they have obeyed His voice, then freely they may partake of the tree of life.
So you are saying the New Jerusalem has already come down, the Great White Throne judgment is already passed, ya good luck with that.
But let’s suppose you are right, have you never read this scripture.
Ecclesiastes 1:9-10
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. 10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
No, to reiterate what I said. After Revelations 22:10 this applys to John's time, and ours as well. I am not suprised you didn't get that.
oh ya I forgot to say the dogs do not enter in as dogs but are changed into children of God once they have obeyed His voice, then freely they may partake of the tree of life.
Boy, you people are delusional aren't you. Pay the price? What price can a man pay to inherit the Kingdom of God? NONE! There is NOTHING you can do, period. No punishment is enough to satisfy His Wrath. That is WHY He gave His Son. Only the Power of the Cross can a man be saved.
There is no other second chance, third chance, or fourth, to infinity. Jesus Christ, and Him crucified a living sacrifice to those who believe, and follow, only. This is an inclusive club, open to all, but not all will enter. They all are without excuse, and the invitation is in their hand, so it is still left up to a sinner on what to do with it.
Once the door closes, it is closed, forever. Once the party starts, those "looking" in cannot get it. Once the feast is served, they will not beg for crumbs. Why? THEY WON'T BE THERE, EVER!
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Boy, you people are delusional aren't you. Pay the price? What price can a man pay to inherit the Kingdom of God? NONE! There is NOTHING you can do, period. No punishment is enough to satisfy His Wrath. That is WHY He gave His Son. Only the Power of the Cross can a man be saved.
There is no other second chance, third chance, or fourth, to infinity. Jesus Christ, and Him crucified a living sacrifice to those who believe, and follow, only. This is an inclusive club, open to all, but not all will enter. They all are without excuse, and the invitation is in their hand, so it is still left up to a sinner on what to do with it.
Once the door closes, it is closed, forever. Once the party starts, those "looking" in cannot get it. Once the feast is served, they will not beg for crumbs. Why? THEY WON'T BE THERE, EVER!
HotinAZ
You are saying that Gods wrath is greater than his mercy - pay the price - yes the wages of sin is death - that is the price that people pay for being created human BUT the gift of God is (aonian) eternal life through Jesus We do not earn the gift, it is given after death. There is nothing that you can do to earn it - not your belief or works.
The believing and faithful will be saved from wrath and receive mercy now, those that experience wrath will have mercy given to them after the wrath.
For the disbelieving Jews that were consigned to disbelief so that the gospel could go to the gentiles - do you believe they will be eternally dead, when it says their receiving back will be life from the dead? Will those that never heard the gospel be eternally dead? How is Jesus death and resurrection greater than Adams sin if the majority of the human race is eternally dead and only a few saved from death? How can death be abolished if the majority are eternally dead?
You are saying that Gods wrath is greater than his mercy - pay the price - yes the wages of sin is death - that is the price that people pay for being created human BUT the gift of God is (aonian) eternal life through Jesus We do not earn the gift, it is given after death. There is nothing that you can do to earn it - not your belief or works.
The believing and faithful will be saved from wrath and receive mercy now, those that experience wrath will have mercy given to them after the wrath.
For the disbelieving Jews that were consigned to disbelief so that the gospel could go to the gentiles - do you believe they will be eternally dead, when it says their receiving back will be life from the dead? Will those that never heard the gospel be eternally dead? How is Jesus death and resurrection greater than Adams sin if the majority of the human race is eternally dead and only a few saved from death? How can death be abolished if the majority are eternally dead?
And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.
A hope that in God's time He will restore His creation back to where it was before the fall of man.
Blessed be His name.
I agree with most of what you say however, I don't believe that the object is to restore the creation back to before the fall - we are told that first is physical, then the spiritual - first Adam made corruptible, then Christ raised incorruptible.
I agree with most of what you say however, I don't believe that the object is to restore the creation back to before the fall - we are told that first is physical, then the spiritual - first Adam made corruptible, then Christ raised incorruptible.
That is the theme throughout the bible.
So you do not believe God will not restore man back to the standing He had with Him before the fall ?Actually i will take that back it will be far more glorious then that .
2beloved, now, children of God are we, and it was not yet manifested what we shall be, and we have known that if he may be manifested, like him we shall be, because we shall see him as he is;
Oh glory !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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