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Old 07-31-2009, 10:12 PM
 
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Since Jesus was Jewish, why don't modern Christians also celebrate Jewish Holidays? Why do Christians not honor the religion Jesus practiced?

Or rather, why did Christians abandon the religion of their own Savior?
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Old 08-01-2009, 12:00 AM
 
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What Jewish holidays, and what religion did Jesus practiced? Care to elaborate?
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Old 08-01-2009, 12:06 AM
 
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Since Jesus was Jewish, why don't modern Christians also celebrate Jewish Holidays? Why do Christians not honor the religion Jesus practiced?

Or rather, why did Christians abandon the religion of their own Savior?
cause Jesus,though jewish,established and taught another way--ie christianity

we do not celebrate or practice judeism cause we follow the promised messiah--while the jewish people are still waiting for God to send them one---they acknowledge jesus only as a prophet NOT AS THE SON OF GOD

as christians quite a few of us honor/recognize jewish holidays and sometimes join our friends in celebrating them----
IT IS MORE RARE TO SEE A JEWISH PERSON CELEBRATE A CHRISTIAN HOLIDAY
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Old 08-01-2009, 12:20 AM
 
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Since Jesus was Jewish, why don't modern Christians also celebrate Jewish Holidays? Why do Christians not honor the religion Jesus practiced?

Or rather, why did Christians abandon the religion of their own Savior?
The Jewish feast days were fulfilled in Christ. They were types of of Christ, and we no longer need then since Christ has come. We now have the reality in Christ of what the types foreshadowed. New Covenant believers are no longer under the law. The only requirement for Gentiles was given by the council of Jerusalem (Acts 15:28-29). We are not to be judged in meat, or drink, or in respect of a holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days (Col.2:16)
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Old 08-01-2009, 10:37 AM
 
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The Jewish feast days were fulfilled in Christ. They were types of of Christ, and we no longer need then since Christ has come. We now have the reality in Christ of what the types foreshadowed. New Covenant believers are no longer under the law. The only requirement for Gentiles was given by the council of Jerusalem (Acts 15:28-29). We are not to be judged in meat, or drink, or in respect of a holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days (Col.2:16)

Does not under the law mean there is no penalty for breaking the law? Can we commit murder or adultery without condemnation?

The apostle Paul used the phrase “under the law” several times – he was never saying that Christians were not subject to the ten commandment law of God. And he was not saying that the law could not condemn those who broke it.

When Paul used the phrase “…under the law…” he meant one of three things:

1. Under the law in the sense that someone was condemned by the law. (Those who sin are under the condemnation of the law.)

2. Under the law as living according to the Mosaic law. (The Jews were required to live under the law)

3. Under the law meaning: subject to the law (the ten commandments)

Each use of the term “under the law” must be looked at in context in order to understand Paul’s meaning. Whenever someone says that we must obey the ten commandments modern Christianity replies: “Paul said we are not under the law” while ignoring the context. Actually Paul used the term in different ways (never antinomian) and his meaning can only be understood in context.

Here are the verses:

Note: (UTL = under the law)


Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. ( UTL = condemned by the law for sin.)

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (UTL = not condemned to death by the power of the law for previous sin.)

(See 1Co 15:56) The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.


Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. ( UTL = not condemned to death)

(See Rom 6:16) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to
obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death,
or of obedience unto righteousness?


1 Corinthians 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; ( UTL = living under the Mosaic law)


1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, [Gentiles] as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law . ( UTL = subject to the ten commandment law of God in Christ )


Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. ( UTL = under the Mosaic Law)

Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, ( UTL = born under the Mosaic law system.)


Galatians 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. ( UTL = under the condemnation of the law through sin.)


Galatians 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the
law? ( UTL = desire to be under the Mosaic system)

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. (UTL = not under the condemnation power of sin)


COMPARE WITH THESE VERSES DEFENDING THE LAW


1. Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

2. Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law

3. Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


HK
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Old 08-01-2009, 11:01 AM
 
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Since Jesus was Jewish, why don't modern Christians also celebrate Jewish Holidays? Why do Christians not honor the religion Jesus practiced?

Or rather, why did Christians abandon the religion of their own Savior?
That's a good question? I think some we can recognize.
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Old 08-01-2009, 12:19 PM
 
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Does not under the law mean there is no penalty for breaking the law? Can we commit murder or adultery without condemnation?

The apostle Paul used the phrase “under the law” several times – he was never saying that Christians were not subject to the ten commandment law of God. And he was not saying that the law could not condemn those who broke it.

When Paul used the phrase “…under the law…” he meant one of three things:

1. Under the law in the sense that someone was condemned by the law. (Those who sin are under the condemnation of the law.)

2. Under the law as living according to the Mosaic law. (The Jews were required to live under the law)

3. Under the law meaning: subject to the law (the ten commandments)

Each use of the term “under the law” must be looked at in context in order to understand Paul’s meaning. Whenever someone says that we must obey the ten commandments modern Christianity replies: “Paul said we are not under the law” while ignoring the context. Actually Paul used the term in different ways (never antinomian) and his meaning can only be understood in context.

Here are the verses:

Note: (UTL = under the law)


Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. ( UTL = condemned by the law for sin.)

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (UTL = not condemned to death by the power of the law for previous sin.)

(See 1Co 15:56) The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.


Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. ( UTL = not condemned to death)

(See Rom 6:16) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to
obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death,
or of obedience unto righteousness?


1 Corinthians 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; ( UTL = living under the Mosaic law)


1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, [Gentiles] as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law . ( UTL = subject to the ten commandment law of God in Christ )


Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. ( UTL = under the Mosaic Law)

Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, ( UTL = born under the Mosaic law system.)


Galatians 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. ( UTL = under the condemnation of the law through sin.)


Galatians 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the
law? ( UTL = desire to be under the Mosaic system)

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. (UTL = not under the condemnation power of sin)


COMPARE WITH THESE VERSES DEFENDING THE LAW


1. Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

2. Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law

3. Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


HK
"for sin shall not have dominion over you; for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Rom.6:14).

The law is now in our heart through the new Covenant (Jer.31:31-34), but we are not under the Old Covenant law which includes the priesthood, the sacrifices, the ceremonial law, the dietary laws, the feast days etc. The strength of sin was the law (1 Cor.15:56). Sin no longer has strength because the law has been fulfilled. This is why we have victory over sin.
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Old 08-01-2009, 12:34 PM
 
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"for sin shall not have dominion over you; for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Rom.6:14).

The law is now in our heart through the new Covenant (Jer.31:31-34), but we are not under the Old Covenant law which includes the priesthood, the sacrifices, the ceremonial law, the dietary laws, the feast days etc. The strength of sin was the law (1 Cor.15:56). Sin no longer has strength because the law has been fulfilled. This is why we have victory over sin.
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Old 08-01-2009, 01:43 PM
 
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"for sin shall not have dominion over you; for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Rom.6:14).

The law is now in our heart through the new Covenant (Jer.31:31-34), but we are not under the Old Covenant law which includes the priesthood, the sacrifices, the ceremonial law, the dietary laws, the feast days etc. The strength of sin was the law (1 Cor.15:56). Sin no longer has strength because the law has been fulfilled. This is why we have victory over sin.

Correct me if I am wrong - you are saying that:

1. Even though you commit sin you have victory over sin because it cannot condemn you since the ten commandment law has been fulfilled.


2. You cannot be condemned by breaking any of the ten commandments.


HK
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Old 08-01-2009, 01:48 PM
 
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"for sin shall not have dominion over you; for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Rom.6:14).

The law is now in our heart through the new Covenant (Jer.31:31-34), but we are not under the Old Covenant law which includes the priesthood, the sacrifices, the ceremonial law, the dietary laws, the feast days etc. The strength of sin was the law (1 Cor.15:56). Sin no longer has strength because the law has been fulfilled. This is why we have victory over sin.
See Fundy we can agree
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