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Mat 7:21
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven {will enter.}
What is the Father's will? Regardless of your best put forth falwed theology, those who do not do the will of the Father are lost and will not enter into His Kingdom.
Yes, as long as they are only calling Him "Lord Lord" but not doing the will of the Father.
Here is my take on Matt 7:21. I think we UR believers need to be careful to not make this verse say something its not really saying. Yes, some will not "enter the Kingdom of Heaven". But what is this talking about exactly? Here is what I posted on another thread:
Matt 7:21-23 is saying pretty much what it sounds like. But where does it say anything about eternal hell? It doesn't. The one key thing to understand about Matt 7:21 is to understand what the Kingdom of Heaven is. This is actually talking about the reign with Christ. Not everyone will reign with Christ. Look at it in the Young's literal:
Matt 7:21 `Not every one who is saying to me Lord, lord, shall come into the reign of the heavens; but he who is doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens.
Not everyone shall come into the reign of the heavens. The unbelievers will miss out on that. Instead, they will be subjects of the Kingdom. This is not eternal hell. It is outer darkness however:
Matt 8:12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
See what it says in Young's literal:
Matt 8:12 but the sons of the reign shall be cast forth to the outer darkness -- there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth.'
See that? The subjects of the kingdom can actually be called the sons of the reign. They are not reigning, but they are reigned over. "Sons of the reign" doesn't sound like eternal damnation to me. Even "subjects of the kingdom" doesn't sound too bad - certainly this is not eternal hell, although it may be tormenting for a time.
All this is not forever. Christ's reign (along with those reigning with him) only lasts until all have been subjected to God, and all enemies have been destroyed (the last enemy is death).
1 Cor 15:25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
Then everything is finally under God and God is all in all (1 Cor 15:22-28).
The error of eternal torment (or annihilation) is to assume the "subjects of the kingdom" who are "gnashing their teeth" are in "eternal hell".
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Eventually no one will be reigning in the Kingdom, but all will be subject to it.
Again, the verse is Present Tense. I'm hoping you would put more seriousness in the discussion and provide more then a "because".
Paul
It is hard to put too much seriousness in this discussion, honestly, because you are blinded to the Truth. It is a present tense, because Jesus is talking to the people. It is just as present tense for those people, as it is for US! Otherwise we may as well throw out the rest of the new testament, because it was mostly present tense.
Do we discount the Words of our Savior because He was having a direct discussion? Absolutely not. You think you can not do the will of the Father, and still enter into His Kingdom? Good luck with that.
the final assent of the intellect must come from the will, assisted by divine grace.
I have never read anything such as this before
16It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy
15For he says to Moses, I will shew mercy to whom I will shew mercy, and I will feel compassion for whom I will feel compassion. 16So then [it is] not of him that wills, nor of him that runs, but of God that shews mercy.
How many do you think he may have compassion and mercy ?
It as to be all men if He desires all to be saved
who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
16It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy
15For he says to Moses, I will shew mercy to whom I will shew mercy, and I will feel compassion for whom I will feel compassion. 16So then [it is] not of him that wills, nor of him that runs, but of God that shews mercy.
How many do you think he may have compassion and mercy ?
It as to be all men if He desires all to be saved
who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
I'm sure many folks will disagree with my belief that my relationship with God is not unlike any other, in that it is reciprocle.
I could site other verses that defend my opinion, that's not difficult.
But scriptural ping pong is not my game.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
I'm sure many folks will disagree with my belief that my relationship with God is not unlike any other, in that it is reciprocle.
I could site other verses that defend my opinion, that's not difficult.
But scriptural ping pong is not my game.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
That fair enough Oakback but i would like to see the scriptures that defend your opinion . Promise i want get in ping pong with you .
That fair enough Oakback but i would like to see the scriptures that defend your opinion . Promise i want get in ping pong with you .
Scriptural ping pong has been played regarding these issues since the fourth century by much better minds.
I really don't want to re-hash the council of carthage, and I'm not up to a debate on pelagians, semi-pelagians, molinism or Thomistic doctrine.
Scriptural ping pong has been played regarding these issues since the fourth century by much better minds.
I really don't want to re-hash the council of carthage, and I'm not up to a debate on pelagians, semi-pelagians, molinism or Thomistic doctrine.
Respect
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I have never read anything such as this before 
