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Show me where the carnal mind hates God? I would like to see the verse that says this, because in the days of old, men loved God although they had no access to walk according to the Spirit, because Jesus had yet to come reconcile them back to Father. So show me the verse please, and not using the word enmity because that just means "set against", not hate. Hate is such a strong ugly word.
And I would never take away what Christ did, and ALL the glory is His alone. When we walk according to the spirit, it is actually a new creation at work in us, being twain with Christ, as the head. A marriage, so to speak, like the Word says.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
enmity (from dictonary.com):
a feeling or condition of hostility; hatred; ill will; animosity; antagonism.
Show me where the carnal mind hates God? I would like to see the verse that says this, because in the days of old, men loved God although they had no access to walk according to the Spirit, because Jesus had yet to come reconcile them back to Father. So show me the verse please, and not using the word enmity because that just means "set against", not hate. Hate is such a strong ugly word
Mabye this? At least anyone trying to follow Christ while loving the world would fall under this verse.
Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
And not sure I agree about the OT people. I wonder if the OT believers while walking in faith can be called carnally minded.
1 Corinthians 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1 Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
enmity (from dictonary.com):
a feeling or condition of hostility; hatred; ill will; animosity; antagonism.
Paul
A feeling of hostility?
ill will?
animosity?
antagonism?
all this equals hatred?? because hatred is thrown in there, are we to assume it means this? whatever. why did they not just use the word hatred, instead of enmity.
They didn't use miseo(hatred) when penned this word to the greek. Instead they used the word that is closest akin to enemy, which makes perfect sense. Enemies do not always hate each other. Being a declared enemy, like with Iran or North Korea, does not mean we HATE the Iranians or North Koreans. It means we dislike their form of government. The worlds government is no where close to God's government, so yes. We are naturally enemies of the Kingdom of Christ, until we are pulled or drug in front of His holiness. Until we see the King for what He has done, and the love of the Father in planning this from the outset of creation.
A feeling of hostility?
ill will?
animosity?
antagonism?
all this equals hatred?? because hatred is thrown in there, are we to assume it means this? whatever. why did they not just use the word hatred, instead of enmity.
They didn't use miseo(hatred) when penned this word to the greek. Instead they used the word that is closest akin to enemy, which makes perfect sense. Enemies do not always hate each other. Being a declared enemy, like with Iran or North Korea, does not mean we HATE the Iranians or North Koreans. It means we dislike their form of government. The worlds government is no where close to God's government, so yes. We are naturally enemies of the Kingdom of Christ, until we are pulled or drug in front of His holiness. Until we see the King for what He has done, and the love of the Father in planning this from the outset of creation.
Why can't you see this difference?
Let's look at Strong's for the Greek word:
G2189
ἔχθρα
echthra
ekh'-thrah
Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition: - enmity, hatred.
G2190
ἐχθρός
echthros
ekh-thros'
From a primary word ἔχθω echthō (to hate); hateful (passively odious, or actively hostile); usually as a noun, an adversary (especially Satan): - enemy, foe.
The dictionary definition that I gave even says it is hatred and so does Strongs. You said "because hatred is thrown in there are we to assume this". Yes, we are because it is thrown in the definition of the word.
The word for "enemy" is 2190. 2189 is referring to the actually "hatred". But either way, if you want to call the Carnal Mind the ENEMY of God then why do you still supposed that it would accept God? That would go against its nature.
G2189
ἔχθρα
echthra
ekh'-thrah
Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition: - enmity, hatred.
G2190
ἐχθρός
echthros
ekh-thros'
From a primary word ἔχθω echthō (to hate); hateful (passively odious, or actively hostile); usually as a noun, an adversary (especially Satan): - enemy, foe.
The dictionary definition that I gave even says it is hatred and so does Strongs. You said "because hatred is thrown in there are we to assume this". Yes, we are because it is thrown in the definition of the word.
The word for "enemy" is 2190. 2189 is referring to the actually "hatred". But either way, if you want to call the Carnal Mind the ENEMY of God then why do you still supposed that it would accept God? That would go against its nature.
Paul
Because it is a matter of submission. If the Iranians took over America, and they all told the Americans that they must submit to their authority, then some would do so willingly, and still others wouldn't do so willingly, even to the death. Yes, the power of death is one cause for submission. Look at the Romans. What they did to the Christians was deplorable, yet still the Romans adopted the Christian religion not too many years later.
Men can accept God, and His Kingdom. They can accept all of His Laws "required" for proper submission, and they can even accept the King of kings as a sacrrifice for their transgressions. But accepting this Reality, and submitting to it are two entirely different things. Everyone accepts God. But not everyone lives under His authority. This is the war between the carnal man, and the spiritual man. The spiritual man realizes that this life is but a vapor, and lives his life out of Love for his God, and His Son. Desiring only the things of the Spirit. The carnal man, desires the things the world has to offer, so he submits to the things that will give him comfort now. Doesn't matter what it is. Jesus said no man can serve two masters. Period.
That is your enmity between the carnal man and the spiritual man. This is why it is so impossible to please God in the flesh, because the flesh is naturally corrupted by the world, hense enmity against God and is Authority.
Because it is a matter of submission. If the Iranians took over America, and they all told the Americans that they must submit to their authority, then some would do so willingly, and still others wouldn't do so willingly, even to the death. Yes, the power of death is one cause for submission. Look at the Romans. What they did to the Christians was deplorable, yet still the Romans adopted the Christian religion not too many years later.
Men can accept God, and His Kingdom. They can accept all of His Laws "required" for proper submission, and they can even accept the King of kings as a sacrrifice for their transgressions. But accepting this Reality, and submitting to it are two entirely different things. Everyone accepts God. But not everyone lives under His authority. This is the war between the carnal man, and the spiritual man. The spiritual man realizes that this life is but a vapor, and lives his life out of Love for his God, and His Son. Desiring only the things of the Spirit. The carnal man, desires the things the world has to offer, so he submits to the things that will give him comfort now. Doesn't matter what it is. Jesus said no man can serve two masters. Period.
That is your enmity between the carnal man and the spiritual man. This is why it is so impossible to please God in the flesh, because the flesh is naturally corrupted by the world, hense enmity against God and is Authority.
HotinAz, I believe the carnal mind HATES God. I see no evidence from scriptures that refutes that.
Paul
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