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Old 07-11-2013, 02:09 PM
 
Location: New England
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Think back to when you told me you would not worship a God that torments anyone. That's the idea behind his statement.
That is the false idol sky god that the fundamentalists worship. You will not have me bowing down and worshipping it, being in fear of it, enslaved by it or intimated by the threats from its followers. I reject it in the name of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is Lord.
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:56 PM
 
Location: In a state of Grace
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Think back to when you told me you would not worship a God that torments anyone. That's the idea behind his statement.
Thanks for telling him. I did not see his post until you quoted it. Yes he has said he would not worship the one true God right on this forum as you have stated.
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Thanks for telling him. I did not see his post until you quoted it. Yes he has said he would not worship the one true God right on this forum as you have stated.
You would be right if that "qualification" were true of God. As it is he is denying that your perception is true of God.
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Old 07-11-2013, 03:03 PM
 
Location: New England
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Thanks for telling him. I did not see his post until you quoted it. Yes he has said he would not worship the one true God right on this forum as you have stated.
You Fundamenalists will go to the extreme to discredit believers. I have never once said I reject the one true God,and Drob if he's honest enough and walks in the spirit will acknowledge this too. I do reject the sky god you believe in that breathes threats through its followers towards those beliefs in regards to Jesus Christ THE SAVIOR of the world differs from theirs.

Jesus Christ IS Lord
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Old 07-11-2013, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Pilot Point, TX
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If ALL will be saved, then why did Jesus tell us to go into every nation with the Gospel?
You wouldn't believe this, but...

If preaching hellfire and brimestone actually changed hearts, this nation would be clean several times over; but all it has done is paint a picture of the Creator as a mean old man with a baseball bat, ready and willing to beat people over the head when they do wrong.

There are endless theological errors in that type of believing, or unbelief if you will.

It's the goodness of God that leads men to repentance. (Rom 2:4). Hear this: God has reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ - not holding men's sin against them - and has given to us the ministry of reconciliation. (2 Cor 5:18)

That's the answer to your question - telling people that God loves them and has forgiven them because of His sacrifice on the cross draws men TO HIM, while condemnation drives them away. The sting of sin is death, and the strength of sin is the law. (1 Cor 15:56)
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Old 07-11-2013, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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primarily the fallacious argument tentmaker.org uses through rationalization. A common tactic used by cults. Atheists use it to prove God doesn't exist.

Fighting for the Faith: Refuting "Christian Universalism"

Segment 4
http://podcast.fightingforthefaith.c.../F4F031709.mp3
Can somebody offer up the Cliff Notes on that? I'm mildly curious, but not curious enough to actually sit through a long diatribe bashing a perfectly legitimate branch of Christianity.

As with every "truth" that contradicts somebody else's "truth," the word cult gets flippantly thrown out there. It really is quite childish. If you want to disagree with somebody else's beliefs then disagree with them. Name-calling is just silly.
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Old 07-11-2013, 06:44 PM
 
Location: USA
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Can somebody offer up the Cliff Notes on that? I'm mildly curious, but not curious enough to actually sit through a long diatribe bashing a perfectly legitimate branch of Christianity.

As with every "truth" that contradicts somebody else's "truth," the word cult gets flippantly thrown out there. It really is quite childish. If you want to disagree with somebody else's beliefs then disagree with them. Name-calling is just silly.
Oh, it's the usual hysterical response to Christian Universalism and the Tentmaker.org site.

He read one article on Tentmaker and is now apparently an expert about that site. He says all the arguments presented at Tentmaker are "rationalizing". That's what he says the article he read does because it looks at the broad range of scripture which supports the CU position but doesn't produce a verse that says the exact words, "All will be eventually saved through Christ." He talks about the "proper" [man-made rules] way to study scripture though, interestingly, I don't believe he once mentions allowing the Spirit to guide that study.


He then quotes various passages which, by his interpretation, support eternal torment all the while completely ignoring, and never even mentioning, the myriad of Tentmaker resources which refute his interpretation, and all the while saying his interpretation is irrefutable.

He, in no way, presents a balanced discussion of the topic but simply rants on. Typical.

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Old 07-11-2013, 06:50 PM
 
Location: USA
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Oh, and I just went back to the beginning of the thread. Legoman does a much more thorough job than I did of providing "cliff notes" in posts 8 & 10.
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