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Old 08-27-2009, 09:03 AM
 
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First off that would be taking His words in a very earthly sense. Secondly, the number of swords was apparently important for Jesus said it was ENOUGH. We are to understand Jesus Words from a Spiritual perspective and not an earthly one. Jesus was talking to all His disciples and two swords wouldn't be enough to protect 12 disciples. Furthermore, Jesus rebuked Peter when Peter actually did use the sword. Also, Jesus could have easily have told them to carry a sword after He rose from the dead. We have no evidence of the disciples ever using a sword to defend anyone thereafter so it makes no sense to have them carry a literal sword especially when they are to turn the cheek and not return evil for evil. This was obviously a spiritual message as is everything Jesus did and said.

Paul
Well actually Jesus did not tell them to get two swords.....it was the disciples who said, "So they said, Lord, look, here are two swords"...and Jesus replied, "And He said to them, "It is enough."

My understanding.... The situation of the disciples had completely changed from the days when Jesus sent them out in the flush of popular support (10:1-7). Then they could expect hospitality. Now they must support themselves and face hostility.
Jesus instruction to buy a sword was not to be taken literally. It was grim way of emphasizing the opposition they would face. When the disciples misunderstood Him. Jesus did not try to correct them, He simply made the ironic statement, "It is enough," perhaps meaning, "Enough talk about swords."

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Old 08-27-2009, 10:01 AM
 
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Well actually Jesus did not tell them to get two swords.....it was the disciples who said, "So they said, Lord, look, here are two swords"...and Jesus replied, "And He said to them, "It is enough."

My understanding.... The situation of the disciples had completely changed from the days when Jesus sent them out in the flush of popular support (10:1-7). Then they could expect hospitality. Now they must support themselves and face hostility.
Jesus instruction to buy a sword was not to be taken literally. It was grim way of emphasizing the opposition they would face. When the disciples misunderstood Him. Jesus did not try to correct them, He simply made the ironic statement, "It is enough," perhaps meaning, "Enough talk about swords."

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Again, that would be an earthly perspective. Nothing spiritual in that explaination.

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Old 08-27-2009, 07:24 PM
 
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Well actually Jesus did not tell them to get two swords.....it was the disciples who said, "So they said, Lord, look, here are two swords"...and Jesus replied, "And He said to them, "It is enough."
Over the years, and because I am in Kumdo and fight with swords, and do some work with fire and hammer in the winter and make a few swords, I have been attacked over this issue by well-meaning but mixed up Christians.

What I have learned:
Although the word we see as "swords" seem simple enough, the real word that they used was for a very short sword.
Something easy to hide under a coat, with a smaller blade.

The problem the disciples saw was that the word Jesus used when He was talking about getting all your camping gear ready was for a full-size sword
That seemed to be a problem at the time as the Disciples said that they only had two short swords...

Thus the comment, "That is enough" was more likely aimed at telling the guys that the shorter swords would do fine.

I learned this from Dr Walter Martian.
The topic of swords was talked about one day on his Bible Answer man radio show.
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Old 08-27-2009, 08:24 PM
 
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Over the years, and because I am in Kumdo and fight with swords, and do some work with fire and hammer in the winter and make a few swords, I have been attacked over this issue by well-meaning but mixed up Christians.

What I have learned:
Although the word we see as "swords" seem simple enough, the real word that they used was for a very short sword.
Something easy to hide under a coat, with a smaller blade.

The problem the disciples saw was that the word Jesus used when He was talking about getting all your camping gear ready was for a full-size sword
That seemed to be a problem at the time as the Disciples said that they only had two short swords...

Thus the comment, "That is enough" was more likely aimed at telling the guys that the shorter swords would do fine.

I learned this from Dr Walter Martian.
The topic of swords was talked about one day on his Bible Answer man radio show.
Amen.....I can see and understand this you have shared!
And I can also hear Jesus saying, Ok, guys, enough is enough... let's move on!!

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Old 08-27-2009, 09:09 PM
 
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Now as for the long sword Jesus spoke of, and it being just a symbol?...
I don't see Jesus explaining it that way, and about the only people that say the sword Jesus was talking about was a symbol are inventing their own reasons why that is true, so I have my doubts.

I believe the sword Jesus talks about getting is a real sword, just as the other camping gear Jesus lists are also just normal things you take with you on a trip .

I also believe that the two smaller swords that the Diciples bring to our Lord's attention were just that, two short swords, the type you can keep hiden on you.
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