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Old 10-29-2009, 12:38 PM
 
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I wonder about this, and perhaps you can give me your opinion of the text.

Obviously we all believe that God doesn't lie but that being said can we say that from Adam and Eve's perpective that they understood what God told them about eating the fruit?

God said "or when you eat of it you will surely die." (before the woman was created so Adam must have told her about dying from it) Gen. 2:17-18

Eve said "you must not touch it, or you will die." (notice Adam is there but doesn't correct Eve so he didn't understand either. Gen. 3:6) Gen. 3:3

Serpent said "surely you will not die." Gen. 3:4

Who was correct?

There were consequences for eating the fruit but they did not die until they were 900+ years old..

So from Adam and Eve's perspective who told the truth?
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Old 10-29-2009, 03:56 PM
 
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They would not have died at all if they behaved themselves.

They died like God said. Serpent said they wouldn't die - he lied.

Ultimately - God said don't eat. They ate. Sin. Death.
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:07 PM
 
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What makes you think Adam was right there with Eve when it happened? The Word does not give us the timeframe or all the details.
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:08 PM
 
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God (of course) was the One telling the truth.

The soul died when it fell. It turned inward and has been self-consumed ever since. This "death" is what dwells in us, until we are resurrected through the spirit - and contrary to what most believe, it is a process of reversal - "dying" to the death, if you will.
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:11 PM
 
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They would not have died at all if they behaved themselves.

They died like God said. Serpent said they wouldn't die - he lied.

Ultimately - God said don't eat. They ate. Sin. Death.
Actually from their point of view they ate then they had consequences.. they didn't die until 100's of years later..

Doesn't anyone know how to see something from someone else's perspective? Of course God didn't lie.

But were Adam and Eve deceived by the serpent or did the serpent just clarify that they wouldn't drop dead which made them able to justify eating the fruit?
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:13 PM
 
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They would not have died at all if they behaved themselves.

They died like God said. Serpent said they wouldn't die - he lied.

Ultimately - God said don't eat. They ate. Sin. Death.
OK.. That day in the Garden we know they didn't die. They could not have known that they would die later.

When you say to your child that if they stick a knife in the outlet they will experience pain... you mean that they will immediately experience pain. If they stick the knife in anyway and experience nothing then you did not lie but to THEM you did not tell the truth.

From THEIR perspective...
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:15 PM
 
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What makes you think Adam was right there with Eve when it happened? The Word does not give us the timeframe or all the details.
Gen. 3:6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

I got it from there.
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:17 PM
 
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But were Adam and Eve deceived by the serpent or did the serpent just clarify that they wouldn't drop dead which made them able to justify eating the fruit?
Was it an actual fruit they ate or is it smybolic of something else?
But perhaps that is off topic and should be another thread.
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:17 PM
 
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God (of course) was the One telling the truth.

The soul died when it fell. It turned inward and has been self-consumed ever since. This "death" is what dwells in us, until we are resurrected through the spirit - and contrary to what most believe, it is a process of reversal - "dying" to the death, if you will.
GUYS! FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE! Of course we know God did not lie. I am saying that from their perspective the serpent told the truth that they would not immediately die. How can someone be in fellowship with God and be fooled by the serpent if they understood what God was saying?

Of course we know now what he means and in hindsight they did too... but at that moment when the serpent said that Eve was convinced that God didn't mean die so she ate the fruit.

So to her (EVE) God told them an incomplete truth or rather she did not understand what death meant.. right?
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:26 PM
 
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So to her (EVE) God told them an incomplete truth or rather she did not understand what death meant.. right?
It's an interesting concept, but many believe that Eve represented the mind - or soul - of Adam, which rationalized and reasoned away what God had said.

A typical response from the carnal mind.
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