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Old 01-16-2011, 07:51 PM
 
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"The Father loves the Son and has given, or put all things into His hands."

Including; Deliverance.
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Old 01-16-2011, 08:55 PM
 
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Uh, ‘Jesus’ is called the “son of god”, not “god the son”. The theological phrases “god the Son” and “god the Holy Spirit” are not found anywhere in “the bible”. It is completely unbiblical.
No, it is not. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are the triune God. They are co-equal and co-eternal. Three Persons who are ONE God. The attributes of God consist of Sovereignty, righteousness, justice, love, eternal life, omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, vericity, and immutability. Each of these attributes comprise the essence of God and are possessed by all three Persons of the Godhead.

It was Jesus Christ who did the actual act of creation. It was through Jesus Christ that everything that exists does exist.

John 1:1 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2] He was in the beginning with God. 3] All things came into being by Him and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being....14] And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory as of the only born from the Father, full of grace and truth.'

Phil 2:5 'Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus. 6] Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God. 7] But made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men. 8] And, being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

The name Jehovah (Yah-weh) is applied to each of the three Persons of the Godhead.

These are two of the strongest assertions in the New Testament concerning the deity of Christ. If anyone who cannot see from these passages that Jesus Christ is God, it is because they do not want to see.

There are many other passages that confirm the deity of Christ.

Now you say that the words God the Son are not found in the Bible. Neither is the word 'trinity' found. But God is triune. The title 'Son of God' refers to the deity of Christ.

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Old 01-16-2011, 09:05 PM
 
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Mike...those words need not matter....son of man is a reference of God humbling himself in "man/ysh" flesh...not Jewish flesh, as that is rendered son of Adam...that which Christ was neither...as we see:

Num 23:19 God [is] not a man/iysh, that he should lie; neither the son of man/Adam, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

He is neither, and the significance of Him taking on the flesh, is the very reason why Daniel for one, used the specific generic term for mankind, outside of Jewry status, and placed him in the "standard" flesh, that we are all bound to, apart and inclusive from Adamic lineage.
In a nutshell...Adamic lineage and heathen lineage are all mortal men, but it is that status of Adam, and Man, that the flesh is what God needed to inhabit, to free not only the Jews from OC status, but to open the door for Gentile inclusion. God had to show all the ramification of Num 23...that God is neither, but can inhabit it, the flesh, without provocation of sinning, and deeming Himself perfect. These folks try to use every angle they got, without even grasping the theological terms these men used to identify their God, Christ. Peace be with you.
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Old 01-16-2011, 09:05 PM
 
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Uh, ‘Jesus’ is called the “son of god”, not “god the son”. The theological phrases “god the Son” and “god the Holy Spirit” are not found anywhere in “the bible”. It is completely unbiblical.
True.
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Old 01-16-2011, 09:42 PM
 
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Mike...those words need not matter....son of man is a reference of God humbling himself in "man/ysh" flesh...not Jewish flesh, as that is rendered son of Adam...that which Christ was neither...as we see:

Num 23:19 God [is] not a man/iysh, that he should lie; neither the son of man/Adam, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

He is neither, and the significance of Him taking on the flesh, is the very reason why Daniel for one, used the specific generic term for mankind, outside of Jewry status, and placed him in the "standard" flesh, that we are all bound to, apart and inclusive from Adamic lineage.
In a nutshell...Adamic lineage and heathen lineage are all mortal men, but it is that status of Adam, and Man, that the flesh is what God needed to inhabit, to free not only the Jews from OC status, but to open the door for Gentile inclusion. God had to show all the ramification of Num 23...that God is neither, but can inhabit it, the flesh, without provocation of sinning, and deeming Himself perfect. These folks try to use every angle they got, without even grasping the theological terms these men used to identify their God, Christ. Peace be with you.
Hi sciotamicks.

With regard to Jesus Christ, He is the God-Man. He is both eternal and infinite God, and true humanity in one Person. As per the hypostatic union, the characteristics of His deity remain separate and distinct from the characteristics of His humanity. There is no blending of deity with humanity. Jesus Christ is from the moment of His incarnation, the unique Person of the universe. As God, He is God. As man, He is man. Therefore, He is not half god and half man, He is forevermore, the God-Man. The title 'Son of God' emphasizes His deity, while His title 'Son of Man' emphasizes His humanity.

In His humanity Jesus' genealogy extends back to Adam as per the genealogy of Luke 3:23-38. However, because of the virgin birth of Jesus, he did not acquire the old sin nature which is passed down genetically through the male. Therefore He came into the world free from sin, and not under the condemnation which resulted from Adam's sin. Jesus is descended from king David and is therefore a Jew in His humanity. Grace be with you.
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Old 01-16-2011, 09:45 PM
 
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Hi sciotamicks.

With regard to Jesus Christ, He is the God-Man. He is both eternal and infinite God, and true humanity in one Person. As per the hypostatic union, the characteristics of His deity remain separate and distinct from the characteristics of His humanity. There is no blending of deity with humanity. Jesus Christ is from the moment of His incarnation, the unique Person of the universe. As God, He is God. As man, He is man. Therefore, He is not half god and half man, He is forevermore, the God-Man. The title 'Son of God' emphasizes His deity, while His title 'Son of Man' emphasizes His humanity.

In His humanity Jesus' genealogy extends back to Adam as per the genealogy of Luke 3:23-38. However, because of the virgin birth of Jesus, he did not acquire the old sin nature which is passed down genetically through the male. Therefore He came into the world free from sin, and not under the condemnation which resulted from Adam's sin. Jesus is descended from king David and is therefore a Jew in His humanity. Grace be with you.
How true

Colossians 2:9
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
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Old 01-16-2011, 09:54 PM
 
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How true

Colossians 2:9
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
Thanks twin. I wonder what we two look like now?
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Old 01-16-2011, 10:07 PM
 
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Thanks twin. I wonder what we two look like now?
You will remain the same without changing.
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Old 01-17-2011, 02:42 PM
 
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No, it is not. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are the triune God. They are co-equal and co-eternal. Three Persons who are ONE God. The attributes of God consist of Sovereignty, righteousness, justice, love, eternal life, omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, vericity, and immutability. Each of these attributes comprise the essence of God and are possessed by all three Persons of the Godhead.

It was Jesus Christ who did the actual act of creation. It was through Jesus Christ that everything that exists does exist.

John 1:1 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2] He was in the beginning with God. 3] All things came into being by Him and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being....14] And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory as of the only born from the Father, full of grace and truth.'

Phil 2:5 'Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus. 6] Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God. 7] But made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men. 8] And, being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

The name Jehovah (Yah-weh) is applied to each of the three Persons of the Godhead.

These are two of the strongest assertions in the New Testament concerning the deity of Christ. If anyone who cannot see from these passages that Jesus Christ is God, it is because they do not want to see.


There are many other passages that confirm the deity of Christ.

Now you say that the words God the Son are not found in the Bible. Neither is the word 'trinity' found. But God is triune. The title 'Son of God' refers to the deity of Christ.
I humbly disagree. There is a root of controversy swirling around Joh. 1 and Php 2. And the debate over these verses will continue as long as the textual evidence is not conclusive. Question: Why do you even assume the “word” in Joh. 1:1 is a person? If the “word” [Gk. logos] is a person – how can a person be "with god" and yet be god at the same time?

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Old 01-17-2011, 03:13 PM
 
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I humbly disagree. There is a root of controversy swirling around Joh. 1 and Php 2. And the debate over these verses will continue as long as the textual evidence is not conclusive. Question: Why do you even assume the “word” in Joh. 1:1 is a person? If the “word” [Gk. logos] is a person – how can a person be "with god" and yet be god at the same time?

Because God is three in Persons and One in Essence. God is a United One. God is three Persons who are united in their essence. All three Persons of the Trinity possess equally, Sovereignty, justice, righteousness, love, eternal life, omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence, immutability, and veracity.

While in His humanity, Jesus Christ is in a resurrected body, in His deity He is Spirit just as God the Father and God the Holy Spirit are Spirit.


Debate has no bearing on truth. John 1:1 compared with John 1:14 shows without equivocation that Jesus Christ is the Word. Phil 2:6-8 equally declares that Jesus Christ is God.

And Revelation 19:13 states that Jesus Christ is the Word of God.

Rev 19:13 'And He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood; and His name is called The Word of God.
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