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Old 11-12-2009, 04:13 PM
 
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Heb 1:8 "Yet to the Son: "Thy throne, O God, is for the eon of the eon, And a scepter of rectitude is the scepter of Thy kingdom." was that relative or absolute?

Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Guess you had better too!
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Old 11-12-2009, 04:22 PM
 
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O,,,,,LOGOS. .EN. . . PROS . . .TON. .THEON
The..Word. ...was. . toward . . the . . God
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Old 11-12-2009, 04:59 PM
 
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LOGOS EN THEOS - Word was God

Simple grammar here, and you dance around like the rest of them.
Absolutely. Jesus Christ is the Living Word, and the Bible is the Written Word. The Mind of Christ. The thinking of Christ set down in writing.

John 1:1 In a beginning which was not a beginning (Eternity past) was the Word (Jesus Christ), and the Word was with God (Jesus Christ with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit),and the Word ( Jesus Christ) was God (Jesus Christ as part of the Trinity).
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Old 11-12-2009, 05:30 PM
 
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O,,,,,LOGOS. .EN. . . PROS . . .TON. .THEON
The..Word. ...was. . toward . . the . . God
That is the middle of the verse student..I am talking about the end.

θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος

And to correct you on the middle of the verse: it is:

λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν - Word was the God

Your usage of toward is illegitimate, which in Ancient Greek, this is a Preposition, usually used as "at, near, by" and in this case rightly so, as the context defines what the word means...simply....was.

You really need some help with this don't you?
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Old 11-12-2009, 05:31 PM
 
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I guess ChrystyGirl has conceded to the debate.

Anyone else care to answer the question?

Why was God and Christ given the same attributes in Daniel and Revelation?
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Old 11-12-2009, 05:37 PM
 
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Absolutely. Jesus Christ is the Living Word, and the Bible is the Written Word. The Mind of Christ. The thinking of Christ set down in writing.

John 1:1 In a beginning which was not a beginning (Eternity past) was the Word (Jesus Christ), and the Word was with God (Jesus Christ with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit),and the Word ( Jesus Christ) was God (Jesus Christ as part of the Trinity).

Very true brother.
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Old 11-12-2009, 05:40 PM
 
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Absolutely. Jesus Christ is the Living Word, and the Bible is the Written Word. The Mind of Christ. The thinking of Christ set down in writing.

John 1:1 In a beginning which was not a beginning (Eternity past) was the Word (Jesus Christ), and the Word was with God (Jesus Christ with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit),and the Word ( Jesus Christ) was God (Jesus Christ as part of the Trinity).
This is called "Imposing a religious creed onto a scripture".
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Old 11-12-2009, 05:44 PM
 
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This is called "Imposing a religious creed onto a scripture".

How? It's called interpretation from long hours of Biblical study.
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Old 11-12-2009, 05:57 PM
 
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The Father is called God Gal 1:1
The Son (Jesus) is called God John 1:1; 20:28; Rom 9:5; 1 John 5:20
The Holy Spirit is called God Acts 5:3-4

Colossians 2:9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,” the most direct verse speaking of the "trinity"


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Jesus calles himself the same titles God calles himself
Jesus says he is I AM John 8:58
God calls himself I AM Exodus 3:13-14

Jesus calls himself "Alpha and Omega" "the Beginning and the End" Rev 22:13
The Father calls himself "Alpha and Omega" "the Beginning and the End" Rev 21:6

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Isaiah prophecied:

Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

Matthew 1:23
"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" —which means, "God with us."



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Old 11-12-2009, 06:22 PM
 
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The following is a footnote from the New Scofield Reference Bible, (Everyone should have one.) concerning John 20:28.

v28) 'And Thomas answered, and said unto him, My Lord and my God.'


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(20:28) The Deity of Jesus Christ is declared in Scripture:
1) The O.T. both intimates and explicitly predicts His Deity. (a) The theophanies intimate the appearance of God in human form, and His ministry thus to man (Gen.16:7-14; 18:2-23, especially v. 17;cp. 32:28 with Hos.12:3-5; Ex.3:2-14). (b) The Messiah is expressly declared to be the Son of God (Ps.2:2-9), and God (cp. Ps.45:6-7 with Heb. 1:8-9; Ps. 110:1 with Mt. 22:44; Acts 2:34 and Heb. 1:13; Ps.110:4 with Heb.5:6; 6:20; 7;17-21; Zech. 6:13), (c) His virgin birth was foretold as the means through which God could be Immanuel; God with us (cp. Isa.7:13-14 with Mt. 1:22-23). (d) The Messiah is expressly invested with the divine names (Isa.9:6-7. (e) In a prophecy of His death He is called the LORD'S ''fellow'' (cp. Zech.13:7 with Mt. 26:31). And (f) His eternal Being is declared (cp. Mic.5:2 with Mt.2:6; Jn.7:42)

2) Christ Himself affirmed His Deity. (a) He applied to Himself the Jehovistic I AM. (The pronoun ''he'' is not in the Greek; cp. Jn.8:24,56-58. The Jews correctly understood this to be the Lord's claim to full Deity (v. 59). See Jn. 10:33; 18:4-6, where, also, ''he'' is not in the Greek text) (b) He claimed to be the Adonai of the O.T, (Mt.22:42-45, See Gen. 15:2, note). (c) He asserted His identity with the Father (Mt.28:19; Mk. 14:62; Jn. 10:30. That the Jews so understood Him is shown by Jn. 31-33; 14:8-9; 17:5). (d) He exercised the chief prerogative of God--the forgiveness of sins (Mk.2:5-7; LK. 7:48-50). (e) He asserted omnipresence (Mt.18:20; Jn.3:13); omniscience (Jn.11:11-14, when Jesus was fifty miles away; Mk.11:6-8); omnipotence (Mt. 28:18; Lk.7:14; Jn 5:21-23; 6:19); mastery over nature, and creative power (Lk.9:16-17; Jn.2:9; 10:28). And (f) He received and approved human worship of Himself (Mt.14:33; 28:9; Jn.20:28-29).

3) The N.T. writers ascribe divine titles to Christ (Jn.1:1; 20:28; Acts 20:28; Rom.1:4; 9:5; 2Th.1:12; 1Tim.3:16; Ti.2:13; Heb.1:8; 1 Jn.5:20).

4) The N.T. writers ascribe divine perfections and attributes to Christ (Mt.11:28; 18:20; 28:20; Jn.1:2; 2:23-25; 3:13; 5:17; 21:17; Heb.1:3,11-12 with Heb. 13:8; Rev. 1:8,17-18; 11:17; 22:13).

5) The N.T. writers ascribe divine works to Christ (Jn.1:3,10; Col.1:16-17; Heb.1:3).

6) The N.T. writers teach that supreme worship should be paid to Christ (Acts 7:59-60; 1 Cor.1:2; 2 Cor.13:14; Phil.2:9-11; Heb.1:6; Rev.1:5-6; 5:12-13).

7) The holiness and resurrection of Christ confirm His Deity (Jn.8:46; Rom.1:4).
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(New Scofield Reference Bible, footnote for John 20:28, p. 1157)

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