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Old 12-09-2009, 10:59 PM
 
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Men, How Are We Viewing Women? How Are We Viewing One Another?

To spiritually make love to our wives. What a wonderful thing! To understand their physical bodies in light of their spiritual reality. What significance might a woman’s breasts have spiritually? How can we truly come to see our wives in this way? How can we come to love our wives in spirit and in truth? The way they deserve to be seen as bearers of the image of God.

Anyone is able to love someone in the physical, focusing only on the physical reality of the person they are with, while the person they are focusing on remains in a state of spiritual death and decay. But if the "flesh counts for nothing", and yet Jesus calls us to love one another, then is He calling us to love one another in what does not count (merely the flesh)?
When we come together with our wives, are we to only be focusing on that in our wives and enjoying that in our wives that counts for nothing? That, which will not last, but is going to eventually perish (the flesh)? Absolutely not. It is appropriate to enjoy the physical aspects of our wives, but the emphasis needs to be placed on Christ within them. HE needs to be the focus of our affections. Otherwise we set ourselves up to be able to enjoy the physical aspects of anyone and anything whether Christ is a part of those things or not. We set our wives up as well to respond favorably to this type of affection, which can come from anyone.

How many mothers focus only on the physical aspects of their children in the name of love and do exceptional jobs of raising perfectly healthy children who are spiritually starving to death and in a state of spiritual decay? How many husbands focus only on the physical aspects of their wives in the name of love and do exceptional jobs of leading a perfectly healthy woman who is spiritually starving to death and in a state of spiritual decay?
When most Mothers raise their children they are focused only on the physical state of their children instead of their children’s spiritual reality. When most couples engage in physical intimacy they are focused only on the physical state of their intimacy (themselves) instead of each other’s spiritual reality (Christ within each other). When people view pornography, they too are focused on the physical and not on Christ in themselves or in the people or persons they are viewing. And whenever anyone focuses only on the physical, they are able to enjoy the person they are focusing on regardless of that person’s spiritual condition (a person’s true reality). They are able to “in the name of love” show no concern whatsoever (true love) for the starving spiritual condition of the person they are essentially using. We do not mean to do this to ourselves or to others. Adam and Eve did not mean to do this to each other either. But nonetheless, in both cases it is what it is. And somehow we are disconnected from the truth (reality) of what we are to be focused on.

Are we attracted to physically dead, decaying people? Not at all. Have you seen a coke advertisement using a rotting corpse lately? Probably not. How can we become reconnected to the “meaning” that is truly there? Spiritual reality. Remembering that the flesh counts for nothing.


It was Jehovah God that the Israelites were to enjoy in the richness of the Promise Land (spiritual). Not just the Promise Land itself (the physical). But because the Israelites failed to see this, they failed completely.

If attraction, arousal and intimacy were seen for what they are, for what they must be, for someone’s spiritual condition, and we weren’t so focused on what counts for nothing (the flesh), then it would not be so easy to be tempted by pornography. Adultery would be seen for what it is. Countless television shows would loose their appeal and be canceled, and on and on and on.

We are viewing each other with eyes that will one day rot and decay. We are not viewing the reality of what is around us, which can only be seen with our minds. And because of this, we are being deceived. Appearance seldom equals reality. Just because someone is nice or physically appealing does not mean that they are good.

Why would someone want to have children with a dead person? Why would someone want a dead person to kiss them, make love to them, raise and teach their children? Can spiritually dead people make God feel good? Are they able to please God? Should spiritually dead people be able to make us feel good? - In movies, music, as friends and even family. Who were Christ's mothers, brothers and sisters? Which reality was HE focused on? Remember, that it is His image that we bear.

Also,
These thoughts very much deal with the "soil" of untruth that enables the appeal of pornography to take root and grow.
There are basic untruths needed in order for pornography to be enticing to anyone. As we come to know the truth of our own sexuality, of God's original blueprints for intimacy, and the good for ourselves and for others according to the truth of God, pornography (a major untruth) will automatically begin to loose its grip within a person's life. = As we come to know God's truth (light), the untruth in us (darkness) is automatically driven back. And we begin to be set free.
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Old 12-10-2009, 08:26 AM
 
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Men, How Are We Viewing Women? How Are We Viewing One Another?

To spiritually make love to our wives. What a wonderful thing! To understand their physical bodies in light of their spiritual reality. What significance might a woman’s breasts have spiritually? How can we truly come to see our wives in this way? How can we come to love our wives in spirit and in truth? The way they deserve to be seen as bearers of the image of God.

Anyone is able to love someone in the physical, focusing only on the physical reality of the person they are with, while the person they are focusing on remains in a state of spiritual death and decay. But if the "flesh counts for nothing", and yet Jesus calls us to love one another, then is He calling us to love one another in what does not count (merely the flesh)?
When we come together with our wives, are we to only be focusing on that in our wives and enjoying that in our wives that counts for nothing? That, which will not last, but is going to eventually perish (the flesh)? Absolutely not. It is appropriate to enjoy the physical aspects of our wives, but the emphasis needs to be placed on Christ within them. HE needs to be the focus of our affections. Otherwise we set ourselves up to be able to enjoy the physical aspects of anyone and anything whether Christ is a part of those things or not. We set our wives up as well to respond favorably to this type of affection, which can come from anyone.

How many mothers focus only on the physical aspects of their children in the name of love and do exceptional jobs of raising perfectly healthy children who are spiritually starving to death and in a state of spiritual decay? How many husbands focus only on the physical aspects of their wives in the name of love and do exceptional jobs of leading a perfectly healthy woman who is spiritually starving to death and in a state of spiritual decay?
When most Mothers raise their children they are focused only on the physical state of their children instead of their children’s spiritual reality. When most couples engage in physical intimacy they are focused only on the physical state of their intimacy (themselves) instead of each other’s spiritual reality (Christ within each other). When people view pornography, they too are focused on the physical and not on Christ in themselves or in the people or persons they are viewing. And whenever anyone focuses only on the physical, they are able to enjoy the person they are focusing on regardless of that person’s spiritual condition (a person’s true reality). They are able to “in the name of love” show no concern whatsoever (true love) for the starving spiritual condition of the person they are essentially using. We do not mean to do this to ourselves or to others. Adam and Eve did not mean to do this to each other either. But nonetheless, in both cases it is what it is. And somehow we are disconnected from the truth (reality) of what we are to be focused on.

Are we attracted to physically dead, decaying people? Not at all. Have you seen a coke advertisement using a rotting corpse lately? Probably not. How can we become reconnected to the “meaning” that is truly there? Spiritual reality. Remembering that the flesh counts for nothing.


It was Jehovah God that the Israelites were to enjoy in the richness of the Promise Land (spiritual). Not just the Promise Land itself (the physical). But because the Israelites failed to see this, they failed completely.

If attraction, arousal and intimacy were seen for what they are, for what they must be, for someone’s spiritual condition, and we weren’t so focused on what counts for nothing (the flesh), then it would not be so easy to be tempted by pornography. Adultery would be seen for what it is. Countless television shows would loose their appeal and be canceled, and on and on and on.

We are viewing each other with eyes that will one day rot and decay. We are not viewing the reality of what is around us, which can only be seen with our minds. And because of this, we are being deceived. Appearance seldom equals reality. Just because someone is nice or physically appealing does not mean that they are good.

Why would someone want to have children with a dead person? Why would someone want a dead person to kiss them, make love to them, raise and teach their children? Can spiritually dead people make God feel good? Are they able to please God? Should spiritually dead people be able to make us feel good? - In movies, music, as friends and even family. Who were Christ's mothers, brothers and sisters? Which reality was HE focused on? Remember, that it is His image that we bear.

Also,
These thoughts very much deal with the "soil" of untruth that enables the appeal of pornography to take root and grow.
There are basic untruths needed in order for pornography to be enticing to anyone. As we come to know the truth of our own sexuality, of God's original blueprints for intimacy, and the good for ourselves and for others according to the truth of God, pornography (a major untruth) will automatically begin to loose its grip within a person's life. = As we come to know God's truth (light), the untruth in us (darkness) is automatically driven back. And we begin to be set free.
...a refreshingly wonderful, thoughtful post...thank you so much for sharing...you're right.
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Old 12-10-2009, 10:31 AM
 
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Thank you for your feedback Verna. I appreciate it.
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Old 12-10-2009, 09:37 PM
 
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Interesting post seeking manna.
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Old 12-10-2009, 09:40 PM
 
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we have become indeed most carnally minded.
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Old 12-12-2009, 05:59 PM
 
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Marks and Huckleberry,
Thank you both for your comments.
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Old 12-12-2009, 06:34 PM
 
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wow, that was tremendous.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:44 PM
 
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We should take the example of the way Jesus had relations with the women in his ministries before the cross. His relations were cordial loving relationships. Where relationships in the world between men and women can often get to hot to bother restricting the move of God. Many times alienizing each other by some carnal sentiment, or a evil spirit manipulation to divide the people because of the sexes. Jesus had it right but jealousy over friendships would have to be resisted. Many people in the church will have to wait until they are purified in Heaven before they are free to have relationships with everybody in Heaven, where there is no sexual diffrence in Heaven
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