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Hi, I guess I am just venting here but I just became really frustrated with a moral discussion on a secular thread. I really don't know why I commented other than I felt the OP had a real problem and needed help. I was blasted for stating a moral view regarding the subject of porn. I felt like I was in a den of lions. Wow!!
Do you guys/girls think that non-believers even get what we are trying to say or should we just shut up regarding the issue of morality? I see over and over in scripture how Paul and the other diciples, even Jesus, confronted others in sin and even openly rebuked them. In fact Jesus didn't spare any words when it came to certain subjects.
Maybe I am coming across as being too judgemental which is what I was told. I just don't have any tolerance with certain issues and porn is one of them. I have seen too much distruction with this addiction during my lifetime and I feel I have a right to my own belief and answer to a question that was asked. Just because my answer was different than the majority of people on the thread I became a target for argument.
I need some help here. Should I stay off of the secular threads, shut up, or change my approach? Give me your thoughts, I welcome them.
And please no offense to intended...if you are not a Christian, this question is not directed towards you. I need to hear from my sisters and brothers in Christ.
Thanks.
...don't stop posting on the other threads if you don't want to...but you gotta toughen up though. What's the worst they can do to you...type ugly remarks for you to read? Now, if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen!......Lovingly...
Maybe consider these things lessons to strengthen you...a great avenue to strengthen yourself.
Having your views and being outspoken about them is a terrific thing.
If I could caution you on one thing, it would be this: The Bible/God can contribute to morality, but The Bible doesn't own exclusive rights to morality. Morality is a relative commodity, and if you want to have the most affect on others that also understand this, then you must back off of the Bible, your faith, etc, when speaking with those who don't believe that there is divinity in the Bible.
So, for example: statistics, and what happens when pornography goes too far, and yada yada yada, you know? The best way to prove a point or a premise are real world, objective, empiracle evidence, not your own personal faith. Having faith in God or the Bible is certainly good if it helps you, but it won't do anything but irritate those who don't believe the Bible was written by God, would it? Know your audience.
Hi, I guess I am just venting here but I just became really frustrated with a moral discussion on a secular thread. I really don't know why I commented other than I felt the OP had a real problem and needed help. I was blasted for stating a moral view regarding the subject of porn. I felt like I was in a den of lions. Wow!!
Do you guys/girls think that non-believers even get what we are trying to say or should we just shut up regarding the issue of morality? I see over and over in scripture how Paul and the other diciples, even Jesus, confronted others in sin and even openly rebuked them. In fact Jesus didn't spare any words when it came to certain subjects.
Maybe I am coming across as being too judgemental which is what I was told. I just don't have any tolerance with certain issues and porn is one of them. I have seen too much distruction with this addiction during my lifetime and I feel I have a right to my own belief and answer to a question that was asked. Just because my answer was different than the majority of people on the thread I became a target for argument.
I need some help here. Should I stay off of the secular threads, shut up, or change my approach? Give me your thoughts, I welcome them.
And please no offense to intended...if you are not a Christian, this question is not directed towards you. I need to hear from my sisters and brothers in Christ.
Thanks.
Never surrender reason to your passion. Passion is personal and is not supposed to be spilled. 80% of the world openly or secretly loves porn, even Christians. It's no secret.
Hi, I guess I am just venting here but I just became really frustrated with a moral discussion on a secular thread. I really don't know why I commented other than I felt the OP had a real problem and needed help. I was blasted for stating a moral view regarding the subject of porn. I felt like I was in a den of lions. Wow!!
Do you guys/girls think that non-believers even get what we are trying to say or should we just shut up regarding the issue of morality? I see over and over in scripture how Paul and the other diciples, even Jesus, confronted others in sin and even openly rebuked them. In fact Jesus didn't spare any words when it came to certain subjects.
Maybe I am coming across as being too judgemental which is what I was told. I just don't have any tolerance with certain issues and porn is one of them. I have seen too much distruction with this addiction during my lifetime and I feel I have a right to my own belief and answer to a question that was asked. Just because my answer was different than the majority of people on the thread I became a target for argument.
I need some help here. Should I stay off of the secular threads, shut up, or change my approach? Give me your thoughts, I welcome them.
And please no offense to intended...if you are not a Christian, this question is not directed towards you. I need to hear from my sisters and brothers in Christ.
Thanks.
Hi Raelyn. I just went into that relationship forum (first and last time). I didn't realize that that was what you were referring to. I'm with you on that issue. You were not at all out of line. The reactions to what you wrote are of course to be expected with human nature being what it is. There is no redeeming value in pornography. It is very destructive and corrupting.
Despite what I wrote in my original post, you must as a believer make your stand based on the word of God. And as a result, you are going to come under attack from the world. Don't ever be afraid to declare what the word of God has to say about something. As it says in John 16:33 ''These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.'' It is better by far, to please God, rather than man.
Having said that, and I'm not implying that you have done so, Christians are not to get into Christian activism or go on crusades. We as believers are in the world but we are not of the world. Our citizenship is in Heaven (Phil 3:20), and this is the devils world (John 12:31;14:30;16:11) until Christ returns. We are not here to whitewash the devils world. Rather, we as believers are here to grow up spiritually and so represent Christ in the world as ambassadors. (2 Cor. 5:20)
Well, I usually don't go into those forums but as I was looking at another thread the question was on the right of my screen so I answered it. Then I became angry at the replies. I really shouldn't of responded and argued with fools because I became one when I did so just like the bible says in Proverbs.
I will not go back into those forums either...In fact I am so thankful for the Christian forum and I really enjoy being with believers even though some of us disagree on certain issues, lol. I have learned so much in the past month as I have visited and commented on a few threads.
Thanks for sharing. I appreciate your response and will take your direction and wisdom to heart. Sorry if I caused you to stumble into a forum that was disgusting because that is what it is... I called it a pig pen...and God brought to my memory last evening "do not cast your pearls before swine" Matthew 7:6. The Word is Truth and it is sharper than any two-edged sword. I love how God does that for me..
Raelyn
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Originally Posted by Mike555
Hi Raelyn. I just went into that relationship forum (first and last time). I didn't realize that that was what you were referring to. I'm with you on that issue. You were not at all out of line. The reactions to what you wrote are of course to be expected with human nature being what it is. There is no redeeming value in pornography. It is very destructive and corrupting.
Despite what I wrote in my original post, you must as a believer make your stand based on the word of God. And as a result, you are going to come under attack from the world. Don't ever be afraid to declare what the word of God has to say about something. As it says in John 16:33 ''These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.'' It is better by far, to please God, rather than man.
Having said that, and I'm not implying that you have done so, Christians are not to get into Christian activism or go on crusades. We as believers are in the world but we are not of the world. Our citizenship is in Heaven (Phil 3:20), and this is the devils world (John 12:31;14:30;16:11) until Christ returns. We are not here to whitewash the devils world. Rather, we as believers are here to grow up spiritually and so represent Christ in the world as ambassadors. (2 Cor. 5:20)
Very good advise... I kind of think I became angry with the subject matter.
I did apologize and stepped away.
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Originally Posted by alanMolstad
as best you can, and as fitting the situation, always be true to yourself and state your views as best you can.
Dont be one type of person around Christians, and another type of person around the nonbelievers.
you cant just become a person who runs from the room any time a topic comes up that you have a faith-based point of view about.
Now Im not going to tell you to join topics just to be able to stir things up as the only Christian there...
But if you find yourself in a topic defending values You believe in, do so in a way that brings credit on yourself and your walk
...but you have to understand that if one believes the Word of God and is a follower of Christ (which I am) than I believe what God says about the subject of porn. Jesus says himself that if you lust after a women in your mind you commit adultery (Matthew 5:28) and we all know instinctively that adultery is wrong. So I still stand behind my statement about porn being wrong and I cannot compromise on my belief in that. After all, I didn't say it Jesus did.
I do appreciate your kindness. You seem to have a very sensitive heart and you have been very nice to respond in this way.
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Originally Posted by helios666
Sorry! You're right- I just get going sometimes and forget that I can be a little long winded...
At any rate, I came back on here to say that I did a little snooping cos I was curious, and found that thread and your posts, Raelyn. I have to say that from what I read, you were (as I suspected) totally reasonable and being very polite to others- obviously to no avail, because a good lot of people on there were jumping down your throat for no good reason- where you made mention of your faith was not "in your face" or anything like some made it out to be. Gotta say that from what I've seen there is really no difference between adamant atheists and extreme christians- both are equally obnoxious, and neither seem to realize just how similar they are to each other!
If I am to be honest, though, I should say that there was one thing I took issue with- the ONLY thing I could really find- was when you said that porn is outright WRONG. While I understand that you have good reason to not want it in your life, and that it can be bad for many reasons, to say it is wrong- or that ANYTHING is wrong in absolution, for that matter, might be jumping the gun a bit. But my goodness, you said enough heartfelt and valid things that if anyone were to flame you for that one thing, then they'd be jumping the gun too. Keep posting and saying what you do- anger and all if need be- but keep your cool and don't let 'em see you sweat!
As most people here would see pornography as highly immoral and extremely harmful to all people, it is likely the sympathy at the time of folks here would have been overwhelmingly on Raelyn's side, not on yours. Nonetheless, thank you for stating your side of the story.
It isn't my Bible it is God's Bible. Everything belongs to Him. By the way... I only mentioned my faith a couple of times and never quoted scripture in the entire thread. How did I hide behind my/His Bible?
And if I did in fact hide behind the Bible that is a good thing because the Bible is referred to as a two-edged Sword according to Hebrews 4:12. It would be a wise thing to hide or stand behind a two-edged sword in the midst of a battle.. Right???
For the Word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing as far as the separation of soul and spirit, of both joint and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Hebrews 4:12
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Originally Posted by Twinkle Toes
True - you didn't name names, but everyone can read between the lines. You called people names, then hid behind your bible. Nice.
Once again, I didn't call anyone pigs or swine in that forum... You misunderstood my comment. You can think or say what you want but God knows my heart. I didn't judge you at all or say anything unkind about you. Your issue was with me long before I complimented the man for not looking at porn. And of course you didn't look at any of my posts because you went to bed.. The fact that my posts mysteriously disappeared explains a lot. I didn't say anything wrong and there is no proof and no mod cuts on anything so how can threads disappear?
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I don't know what you said after a certain time, because I went to bed, and when I got back online your posts - and mine - were deleted.
The "gem in a pig pen" comment was a backhanded compliment - meant as a put down to the rest of us who you have assumed to be "non-believers". I'm not an idiot - I recognized it, as did others. I have not put any words into your mouth. I have stated correctly everything you said in the other forum.
You have assumed me to be a "non-believer" apparently because I don't share EXACTLY your beliefs. You couldn't be more wrong. As a matter of fact, I am a born-again Christian. I do believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God, that he died for our sins, and that he arose from the dead, and I have accepted Him into my life. However, because some of my beliefs differ from yours, you have taken it upon yourself to say some unkind things about me - and a lot of the other posters over there. I don't appreciate it, and I know a lot of them don't either - I am friends with most of them.
I will respect your wishes and leave, but I ask that in the future when you state your point of view (in the "secular" forums), that you refrain from calling everyone "pigs" and "swine" when they disagree with you. That's primarily what got my dander up.
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...Lovingly...
