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Old 12-17-2009, 04:57 PM
 
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Missing the mark means missed opportunitys in the plan of God in your life. Could be anything that blocks faith in God, cares of the world , you can miss the mark, failure to know the word of God or revelation of the Holy Spirit , you can miss the mark, not praying and asking, seeking the Lord, you can miss the mark, were pride, condemning nature, control, completeness, and of course sin , you can miss the mark, lack of seed and worship and praise also, you can miss the mark. Missing the mark of the beast is a blessing of Christ and the fruits of the spirit. Pray to The Lord God for his plan and be childlike to be lead by the Spirit and be Blessed.
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Old 06-10-2016, 05:22 AM
 
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You say Christ makes us righteous without any help from us. Who causes us to be unrighteous? And do we become unrighteous without any help from us too?
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Old 06-10-2016, 07:05 AM
 
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ChristyGrl
You say Christ makes us righteous without any help from us. Who causes us to be unrighteous? And do we become unrighteous without any help from us too?

FYI - make sure you check the dates on the posts - as this thread goes back to 2009. Christy has not been around for awhile.


To answer your question, we are all born unrighteous, with respect to God's standard of righteousness. It is the reason that Christ we must be born again (spiritually) to see the kingdom of God.
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Old 06-10-2016, 07:22 AM
 
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FYI - make sure you check the dates on the posts - as this thread goes back to 2009. Christy has not been around for awhile.


To answer your question, we are all born unrighteous, with respect to God's standard of righteousness. It is the reason that Christ we must be born again (spiritually) to see the kingdom of God.
Always good advice if we expect a response from the poster in question, however, the question is good. Your answer is not, though only in terms of "unrighteousness." We are all born with an element of selfishness, which is not bad in itself, but sometimes comes into conflict with our greater good as members of community and sometimes in relation to our own longer term well-being as in healthy living instead of indulgence of a selfish desire. What we need to do is to recognize our place in community and our own good within that place, best developed by recognizing the relationship we all have to it and the fact that we are all alike in the need and in the failure to heed it from time to time.
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Old 06-10-2016, 07:28 AM
 
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Always good advice if we expect a response from the poster in question, however, the question is good. Your answer is not, though only in terms of "unrighteousness." We are all born with an element of selfishness, which is not bad in itself, but sometimes comes into conflict with our greater good as members of community and sometimes in relation to our own longer term well-being as in healthy living instead of indulgence of a selfish desire. What we need to do is to recognize our place in community and our own good within that place, best developed by recognizing the relationship we all have to it and the fact that we are all alike in the need and in the failure to heed it from time to time.
Your relative standard vs. God's absolute standard... Two different things.
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Old 06-10-2016, 08:29 AM
 
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FYI - make sure you check the dates on the posts - as this thread goes back to 2009. Christy has not been around for awhile.


To answer your question, we are all born unrighteous, with respect to God's standard of righteousness. It is the reason that Christ we must be born again (spiritually) to see the kingdom of God.
Yes. Because of sin all mankind has missed the mark, has fallen short of the standard of God's perfect righteousness, fallen short of the glory of God. God demands perfect righteousness, but because of sin man's relative righteousness, man's best righteousness, does not measure up to God's standard of perfection.

Man can never qualify to have an eternal relationship with God based on his own imperfect righteousness which is why God credits those who simply place their faith in Christ Jesus with His perfect righteousness.
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Old 06-10-2016, 08:58 AM
 
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Actually there are multiple words for sin in Hebrew, one is 'chata' which is the one used to describe sin as 'missing the mark'. See Strongs: 2398. chata Another one is avon, and there are more, see: 5771. avon. Avon doesn't mean just missing the mark, it means moral evil, iniquity of which we are at fault. If we merely think of sin as missing the mark, we might be inclined say "oops! that's too bad, have to work a bit on my aiming I guess.. let's get another arrow and try again". But sin is much more serious than that.

Avon: fault, iniquity, mischief, punishment of iniquity, sin
Or oavown (2 Kings 7:9; Psalm 51:5; Psalm 51:7) {aw-vone'}; from avah; perversity, i.e. (moral) evil -- fault, iniquity, mischeif, punishment (of iniquity), sin.

In Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. The word used for iniquity is avon, the word for sin there is chet which comes from chata. strongs 2339 chet: fault, grievously, offence, punishment of sin From chata'; a crime or its penalty -- fault, X grievously, offence, (punishment of) sin. Even the word chata has more meaning than merely 'missing the mark'.


The only reason I can see why 'missing the mark' has become so popular a definition of sin is that people want to downsize sin and make it seem more benign than it is. I think in order to make it more comfortable for sinners that don't want to take responsibility for their sin nor want to be confronted with the seriousness of moral evil, which we all inherit by nature, before a Holy God.
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Old 06-10-2016, 09:59 AM
 
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Your relative standard vs. God's absolute standard... Two different things.
"God's absolute standard" is love, not the laws and rules you try to impose.
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Old 06-10-2016, 02:11 PM
 
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Yes. Because of sin all mankind has missed the mark, has fallen short of the standard of God's perfect righteousness, fallen short of the glory of God. God demands perfect righteousness, but because of sin man's relative righteousness, man's best righteousness, does not measure up to God's standard of perfection.

Man can never qualify to have an eternal relationship with God based on his own imperfect righteousness which is why God credits those who simply place their faith in Christ Jesus with His perfect righteousness.
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Old 06-10-2016, 04:00 PM
 
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"God's absolute standard" is love, not the laws and rules you try to impose.
Amen, nate. I don't know why that is so difficult to see. Jesus demonstrated it so unambiguously even through torture and crucifixion. It is ironic that Christ's Gospel is now crucified by so many who still "do not know what they do."
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