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Originally Posted by .sparrow.
Again, it's hypothetical..... IF those who are aborted or miscarried DO go directly to heaven... would you NOT agree that it would be BETTER for that to happen than for the person to actually be born and risk a chance at being eternally tortured? Can you not answer that hypothetical question?
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Hi sparrow,
Psalm 51:
5Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
John 3:
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 14:
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
It's looking to be that no baby can get into Heaven without Christ, but....
Can God reach the unborn child in a dream and have the Gospel preached unto them via an angel, since He knows all those that would have sought Him since He knew them before the foundation of the world?
In 1 Corinthians 7th chapter, we read on how the possibility of a believer sanctifying the unbelieving spouse. Could it extend to the unborn child as well? When salvation comes to a believer: does it encompass a family?
Luke 19:
8And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord: Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.
9And
Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
10For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Maybe God doesn't want to say anything directly in that regard because as the issue of abortion has a tendency to zoom in on the issue like a woman's right to her body, but it isn't her body that is being chopped up and pulled piece by piece out of the womb... and so by your question... you are zooming in on the unborn child's spiritual state, but ignoring the spiritual states of those involved in the abortion.
So in expounding on your question to what we do know...
Miscarriages are one thing: abortion is another. If God knew us before we were even conceived in the womb... and it has been written that evil shall not take pity on the fruit of the womb.... then life that is being aborted in the womb is murder when the mother's health is not in danger.
Granted, the legal evil of the day would include that to mean psychological health and emotional health... but yet.. amazing how that really doesn't do anything to alleviate that after an abortion.
So it goes to the spiritual standing with God from the doctors and the nurses and all the staff involved in the performance of the abortion as well as the woman under duress in seeking the abortion. It also goes to the society's standing with God for permitting the abortion to be legal.
A city like Ninevah was about to be judged. From what I recollect, they were not Jews. Yet God was going to judge them anyway, until they had repented.
Then before that, we have the Flood and all the evidence of the Flood in plain sight but evolutionists are having their hey day in ignoring the obviousness of how God judged the entire world by the Flood and the prophesy of God judging the world again by fire.
The point being... what we do know is how God will judge. A society... a nation.. even a world is answerable to God whethor or not they acknowledge Him or not.
Knowledge that is beyond what is knowable even by the scriptures is best left to God. What we do know is that Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners from their sins and rationalizing abortion isn't helping anyone.
Women in the past has been able to give up their babies to orphanages or to "well to do" couples.... they can do it again without having an abortion.
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And for those that have had abortions: This is a promise from God:
1 John 1:
9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Those believers thinking about having an abortion:
1 Peter 4:
14If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 15But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.
16Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Those believers by the help of Christ that are not choosing the abortion:
1 Peter 4:
3For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
4Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: 5Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
As for the society standing with God as per this nation ...it is looking grim.
No matter what anyone has done, Jesus Christ came to save sinners.
No matter what anyone is going through: Jesus Christ is the God that cares and is waiting for any that would call upon His name for help.
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And what about people who are mentally disabled and because of this are unable to take care of themselves yet still want a baby?
