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God forgave the sins of the whole world, past, present, future, when Jesus died. All that remains is to be grateful.
Why even bother to read the Bible? You probably know that there are millions of other Christians who do not believe what you so dogmatically proclaimed.
As far as I am concerned, without the guidance of the Catholic Churh, the Bible by itself can be a divisive tool in teaching the Gospel of Jesus. As a non-catholic you have your beliefs based on a version of a Holy Book where the CC had decided what sacred scripture belongs in it.
Catholics fall back on three important foundations: Church history, the Bible, and Sacred Tradition. 2 Thes. 2,14: Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and holdthetraditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.
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God forgave the sins of the whole world, past, present, future, when Jesus died. All that remains is to be grateful.
Why bother to read the Bible if that's what the Good News is all about. My conclusions to what you wrote comes down to this: people don't have to worry how much they sin, their sins are already forgiven. One can sin any time he/she feels so inclined because those sins will also be forgiven.
Is this the latest versions of the Gospel of Jesus? Pretty convenient. If it only were true! Not really, because it does not make sense, and that is not what Jesus taught.
Catholic Answers: Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth (http://www.catholic.com/library/pillar.asp - broken link)
Some of the first Christians managed well enough without it, or without most of it. Russian Christians lived and died martyrs' deaths without it.
Why declare that it is the Word of God, and then follow that which is not the Word of God?
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You probably know that there are millions of other Christians who do not believe what you so dogmatically proclaimed.
Anyone who does not know that he/she is justified fully by the finished work of Christ is no Christian.
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As far as I am concerned, without the guidance of the Catholic Churh, the Bible by itself can be a divisive tool in teaching the Gospel of Jesus.
Is there evidence for this view? (Citing multiple Protestant denominations is invalid, because Protestant denoms never actually follow what they profess to.)
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As a non-catholic you have your beliefs based on a version of a Holy Book where the CC had decided what sacred scripture belongs in it.
Christians make their own decisions on what they recognise as the Voice of their Master. They do not, as it happens, make the same choice as the RCC or Eastern Orthodox.
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Catholics fall back on three important foundations: Church history, the Bible, and Sacred Tradition.
Church history will be written on the last day, and it may have very little in common with what the world says is church history.
The Bible of 66 books, even with the non-hermeneutic treatment applied by 'Tradition' people, is insufficient to uphold all 'Tradition' teaching, and certain doctrines are supported only by extra books that even 'Tradition' authors admit are of doubtful canonicity.
'Tradition' is a euphemism for 'novelty'- ideas that arose well after the apostolic age, always in contradiction of apostolic teaching.
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2 Thes. 2,14: Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and holdthetraditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.
There is no evidence that the paradoseis (teachings, rather than traditions) passed on to the Thessalonian church supported Catholic or Orthodox doctrine, and the only safe course is to assume that it was teaching found elsewhere in the NT. The lesson to be learned and followed here is that Christians should hold fast to Scripture only, as Paul and the other apostles have now left only written instructions. The RCC has got this precisely wrong- here is teaching of sola Scriptura.
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Catholic Answers: Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth (http://www.catholic.com/library/pillar.asp - broken link)
A handy heresy pack.
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2 Peter 1,20:
'Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation- because prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were led by the Holy Spirit.' 2 Pe 1:20-21
Is there a problem with this? Unless it is the propensity of mankind to override the teachings of prophets with the teachings of demons?
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Everybody else speaks on his own authority
Especially Herr Ratzinger.
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Has it never confounded you why there are so many Christian denominations each teaching their own brand of Christianity?
Not really. Perhaps the devil is alarmed by the idea of Spirit-filled people guided by Scripture only, and throws his packs of dog-collared busybodies into the field.
Why bother to read the Bible if that's what the Good News is all about. My conclusions to what you wrote comes down to this: people don't have to worry how much they sin, their sins are already forgiven.
They are forgiven, if they are committed- but which lover of his or her savior and lord will deliberately commit them?
In any case, persistent refusal to obey results in apostasy.
God forgave the sins of the whole world, past, present, future, when Jesus died. All that remains is to be grateful.
Then why would he tell his apostles to baptize for the forgiveness of sins. Why did he give them the power to forgive sins......if all sins were already forgiven.
Some of the first Christians managed well enough without it, or without most of it. Russian Christians lived and died martyrs' deaths without it.
Why declare that it is the Word of God, and then follow that which is not the Word of God?
Anyone who does not know that he/she is justified fully by the finished work of Christ is no Christian.
Is there evidence for this view? (Citing multiple Protestant denominations is invalid, because Protestant denoms never actually follow what they profess to.)
Christians make their own decisions on what they recognise as the Voice of their Master. They do not, as it happens, make the same choice as the RCC or Eastern Orthodox.
Church history will be written on the last day, and it may have very little in common with what the world says is church history.
The Bible of 66 books, even with the non-hermeneutic treatment applied by 'Tradition' people, is insufficient to uphold all 'Tradition' teaching, and certain doctrines are supported only by extra books that even 'Tradition' authors admit are of doubtful canonicity.
'Tradition' is a euphemism for 'novelty'- ideas that arose well after the apostolic age, always in contradiction of apostolic teaching.
There is no evidence that the paradoseis (teachings, rather than traditions) passed on to the Thessalonian church supported Catholic or Orthodox doctrine, and the only safe course is to assume that it was teaching found elsewhere in the NT. The lesson to be learned and followed here is that Christians should hold fast to Scripture only, as Paul and the other apostles have now left only written instructions. The RCC has got this precisely wrong- here is teaching of sola Scriptura.
A handy heresy pack.
'Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation- because prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were led by the Holy Spirit.' 2 Pe 1:20-21
Is there a problem with this? Unless it is the propensity of mankind to override the teachings of prophets with the teachings of demons?
Especially Herr Ratzinger.
Not really. Perhaps the devil is alarmed by the idea of Spirit-filled people guided by Scripture only, and throws his packs of dog-collared busybodies into the field.
Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, to mark them who make dissensions and offences contrary to the doctrine which you have learned and avoid them.
Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy to dogs; neither cast your pearls before swine, lest perhaps they trample them under their feet, and turning upon you, they tear you.
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Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, to mark them who make dissensions and offences contrary to the doctrine which you have learned and avoid them.
Now I beseech you, brethren, to mark them who make arguments that cannot be refuted contrary to the doctrine which you have learned and avoid them.
Then why would he tell his apostles to baptize for the forgiveness of sins.
Did he?
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