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In all seriousness, Jesus told us that "except our righteousness exceeded that of the scribes and Pharisees, we would not enter in." (Mat 5:20) Seeing the whole of the issue is critical in many ways to the Christian. Who's righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees?
Jesus.
How do we live with His righteousness, and not our own? We allow the Holy Spirit to apply the cross to our lives, and ask Him to replace all that is within us with His life.
Big process, but any discussion of sin and hell brings the topic of dying to self.
In all seriousness, Jesus told us that "except our righteousness exceeded that of the scribes and Pharisees, we would not enter in." (Mat 5:20) Seeing the whole of the issue is critical in many ways to the Christian. Who's righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees?
Jesus.
How do we live with His righteousness, and not our own? We allow the Holy Spirit to apply the cross to our lives, and ask Him to replace all that is within us with His life.
Big process, but any discussion of sin and hell brings the topic of dying to self.
Remember the parable of the Pharisee and the Publican(Luke 18:9-14). Why was the publican Justified and the Pharisee not? Because the publican was humble and pleaded to god for mercy, acknowledging his own sin. While the Pharisee was puffed up, being in condemnation of the publican and glorigying himself with thanks to God for making him unlike the Publican.
This is a very telling parable which reveals much of what Christ was saying about sinners and salvation.
In all seriousness, Jesus told us that "except our righteousness exceeded that of the scribes and Pharisees, we would not enter in." (Mat 5:20) Seeing the whole of the issue is critical in many ways to the Christian. Who's righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees?
Jesus.
How do we live with His righteousness, and not our own? We allow the Holy Spirit to apply the cross to our lives, and ask Him to replace all that is within us with His life.
Big process, but any discussion of sin and hell brings the topic of dying to self.
Allowing the Holy Spirit to work on the soul has nothing to do with the cross as the cross is a man made thing. Only that which is spiritual can apply to sin and the unpardonable sin. Man can deny the cross all their lives throughout eternity and still reside in Heaven with God.
The Holy Spirit is a part of God while the cross is part of man.
In all seriousness, Jesus told us that "except our righteousness exceeded that of the scribes and Pharisees, we would not enter in." (Mat 5:20) Seeing the whole of the issue is critical in many ways to the Christian. Who's righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees?
Jesus.
How do we live with His righteousness, and not our own? We allow the Holy Spirit to apply the cross to our lives, and ask Him to replace all that is within us with His life.
Big process, but any discussion of sin and hell brings the topic of dying to self.
What is the common 'sin' between the scribes and the Pharisees? To my understanding, it was pride. If you look at Isaiah 14 (KJV):
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Here, is decribed the pride that Lucifer had. It is the only sin that I can think of that is mentioned in the Bible that made Lucifer fall. So, IMHO, Humility seems to be a requirement. How can we accept the ways of another (Jesus) if we are not humble?
What is the common 'sin' between the scribes and the Pharisees? To my understanding, it was pride. If you look at Isaiah 14 (KJV):
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Here, is decribed the pride that Lucifer had. It is the only sin that I can think of that is mentioned in the Bible that made Lucifer fall. So, IMHO, Humility seems to be a requirement. How can we accept the ways of another (Jesus) if we are not humble?
I agree, but Jesus was speaking of the law in that Chapter of Matthew (5).
Disagree - (1) if the cross was "man made", the Savior wouldn't have commanded us to carry it
and (2) the very thing in us - the carnal life - requires death
Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die. (1 Cor 15:36)
You're tripping if you think a Christian will swallow that.
Yes, the body has to die yet you are still spiritual. Everything that Jesus taught had to do with the soul of man. The cross has nothing to do with the spirit part of man. Taking up the cross requires us to carry our own burdens and not put them onto another. It has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit or Jesus' death. It was the instrument that was used for that purpose and nothing more. There were hundreds killed the same way in Jesus' time.
If you do not work on your soul, you cannot have eternal life even if you believe in Jesus the man or that Jesus is God. It won't matter because your soul will lie dormant until you awaken to the Truth of Jesus' teachings. That is what's important and nothing man made can get you to Heaven. It all has to do with the spirit part of you. Denying the Holy Spirit to do the work of bringing to man Divine Love is unpardonable until man realizes this great Truth and asks God to bring it into their souls. If you know what it is and what is does and you still do not ask for it, it will remain unpardonable because God will not allow you to enter the Kingdom without It.
It doesn't matter to me who believes it. It's only what I believe that matters to me.
In all seriousness, Jesus told us that "except our righteousness exceeded that of the scribes and Pharisees, we would not enter in." (Mat 5:20) Seeing the whole of the issue is critical in many ways to the Christian. Who's righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees?
Jesus.
How do we live with His righteousness, and not our own? We allow the Holy Spirit to apply the cross to our lives, and ask Him to replace all that is within us with His life.
Big process, but any discussion of sin and hell brings the topic of dying to self.
*ech* The way you speak sometimes throws me off ... You are right about what that scripture was about.
When we live righteously, why is it not our righteousness through His example? This is not a question about pride as my statement is not meant to give one who lives righteously pride because we ALL still sin.
I am starting to think that although in many ways, you and I would agree in many places, the fact that we don't agree on 'Free Will' (a BIG subject) it is hard for us to fully agree...
the fact that we don't agree on 'Free Will' (a BIG subject) it is hard for us to fully agree...
You're both right!
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... You are right about what that scripture was about.
