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Old 09-16-2011, 03:22 AM
 
Location: New England
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I have not said one word about me, I am just going over what you said about yourself. I was curious because you said 'we' and it sounded like you were really talking about someone else because you were speaking in present tense, but now you have clarified you were indeed talking about yourself. Thanks for the clarification.
How could I be talking about you Finn(knowing you have always known all thing since you believed),personally i just know hard it is to see,when you're blinded by a belief.
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Old 09-16-2011, 04:52 AM
 
Location: Florida
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How could I be talking about you Finn(knowing you have always known all thing since you believed),personally i just know hard it is to see,when you're blinded by a belief.
I did not say you were talking about me. Again, thanks for the clarification, and I hope you get your views sorted out.
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Old 09-16-2011, 04:53 AM
 
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Now you can move on.
Please do.
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Old 09-16-2011, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Italy
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Ever notice God never mentioned "Hell" to Adam and Eve if they broke His law in the Garden?

God never mentioned "Hell" to Cain for killing his brother?

Ever notice that God never mentioned "Hell" to any of the ante-deluvians? Noah never preached on it to try to get the dwellers of earth into his ship.

Why is it that the word "Hell" never once left God's lips for thousands of years?

Do you think it is fair to those possibly billions of people in the Old Testament that when they are brought to judgment God is all of a sudden going to spring it on them: "Oh, umm, I forgot to tell you a little something prior to you dying in your sins . . . umm, you have to go to a place called Hell for eternity where you will writhe and scream in agony in flames. Sorry, it was just a little oversight on My part."

P.S. "Hell" is never once mentioned in all the Bible, yet, you'd think by some evangelists or rather "bad-newsists" that hell was on every page of the Bible.

Sheol in the Old Testament, sometimes mistranslated "Hell" in some bibles is just the grave.

Hades is just the Greek translation of Sheol in the Old Testament so that is a moot point.

Gehenna, sometimes mistranslated "Hell" in the Old and New Testament is just a trash dump to the south of Jerusalem where the Jews offered their children to Molloch in fire. Later it was used to burn trash and offal of the city. In the New Testament during the 1000 years it will be re-instituted as a trash dump and used to burn up the bodies of already dead criminals and trash.

Tartarus is just a place of caverns.

The only place close to Hell is the Lake of Fire but for humans this is just death . . . unconscious death.

So if a place called Hell really does exist, why was God silent on it all these many thousands of years? Why all the secrecy?
Great post, Eusebius! Very intelligent questions.

I just wanted to add to your list, that the acts of the early church (book of Acts) also has no sign whatsoever of Christians preaching hellfire and brimstone. It wasn't a part of their message at all. (judgment or punishment, yes; hell, flames, torture, no.)

And Paul also didn't write about it either.


So maybe Christianity today is not what it's supposed to be??

Blessings,
brian
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Old 09-16-2011, 11:59 AM
 
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Great questions, Eusebius!! It really is strange that Moses set forth in so much detail the warnings about DEATH but failed to mention that it really isn't DEATH (cessation of life) but continued 'eternal' existence in agony.

He really should be rebuked for that, imho.
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Old 09-16-2011, 02:23 PM
 
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I hope you get your views sorted out.
Thanks !!. I desire the same for you too.
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