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Did all of you universalists catch what Mike said? - he said that the verse doesn't say what it says. He didn't even explain why the verse should be understood differently but rather used God's Word against God's Word.
Yeah, I did. If we're commanded to preach and teach that God is the savior...then do we need to waste time with those who cast stones?
Indeed. This universalism aka 'one world religion' which promises every sinner, Muslim, Buddhist and atheist an automatic salvation is another masterpiece of Satan. All we can do is pray that it will be exposed as a false religion before too many are deceived and end up in hell because of it. Satan will want nothing more than deceive people into thinking they do not need Christ to be saved, because they are automatically saved.
Circle the wagons brothers and sisters, Christianity is under attack.
They won't be "Muslim, Buddhist and atheist" after Christ reveals Himself to them. Why do we think that our experience was different, can't God show Himself to others?
Indeed. This universalism aka 'one world religion' which promises every sinner, Muslim, Buddhist and atheist an automatic salvation is another masterpiece of Satan. All we can do is pray that it will be exposed as a false religion before too many are deceived and end up in hell because of it. Satan will want nothing more than deceive people into thinking they do not need Christ to be saved, because they are automatically saved.
Circle the wagons brothers and sisters, Christianity is under attack.
And yet Christ ransomed all. (1 Tim.2:6) the result = 1 Timothy 2:4
Do you mean you don't want God to save people just like you?
Circle the wagons true Christians, true Christianity is under attack.
And the word torment in the book of revelation is a translation of the greek word basanizō which is a touchstone used to test the purity of metals in the process of refining them. The symbolism obviously points to the purifying of the fire of Gods judgments referred to in Malachi 3 and which is spoken of by Paul in 1 Corinthians which works towards the salvation of those who have no good works.
And this interpretation shows why universalism is another gospel. It holds out another way to be purified of sin other than through the blood of Christ.
And this interpretation shows why universalism is another gospel. It holds out another way to be purified of sin other than through the blood of Christ.
The Cross is the basis for man's redemption - where do you get otherwise?
And this interpretation shows why universalism is another gospel. It holds out another way to be purified of sin other than through the blood of Christ.
My belief is that the only way for anyone to be saved, justified and reconciled to God is through the blood of Christ.
Now Jremy, you have no excuse for your disobedience.
God told us to teach that God will save all mankind and to teach God is the Saviour of all mankind (1 Tim.2:4-6; 4:10,11).
God did not tell us to teach that God will not save all mankind.
Now get with it and start being obedient to God. Otherwise do not call Jesus your Lord.
The Cross is the basis for man's redemption - where do you get otherwise?
Universalists say that unbelievers who die in their sins will be purified in the lake of fire. If they believe in Christ after death, as is claimed, then there would be no need for any fiery purification. Christ's death atones for all the sins of the believer. Is there some sin that his death does not atone for in the believer?
My belief is that the only way for anyone to be saved, justified and reconciled to God is through the blood of Christ.
Then what purpose does the lake of fire serve?
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Now Jremy, you have no excuse for your disobedience.
I'm not being disobedient. Stick with the issue at hand. Ad hominem tactics only send the message that you are insecure in your position.
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God told us to teach that God will save all mankind and to teach God is the Saviour of all mankind (1 Tim.2:4-6; 4:10,11).
You err greatly because you force a meaning on "savior." Savior of all men is a title. It doesn't say that God actually saves all men. A title does not guarantee, in and of itself, that any particular activity will be carried out. It's like saying, "Doctor Smith is the doctor of all the people in this town." It doesn't mean that he will actually treat every person in the town. Some may never come to him for treatment at all. "Doctor" is simply his title.
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God did not tell us to teach that God will not save all mankind.
He commands Christians to share the gospel with a lost world. That gospel does not consist in telling them that there will be a way of being purified of sins other than through, or in addition to, the blood of Christ.
Universalists say that unbelievers who die in their sins will be purified in the lake of fire. If they believe in Christ after death, as is claimed, then there would be no need for any fiery purification. Christ's death atones for all the sins of the believer. Is there some sin that his death does not atone for in the believer?
Christians believe that Jesus will baptize with the Holy Ghost and fire, right? That God Himself is a consuming fire, correct?
Does this also eliminate the cross from the equation?
The simple truth is that we cannot draw near to Him without being burned.
Jremy, "Saviour" is not a title in 1 Timothy 4:10 but an act. A Saviour is one Who saves, not just offers salvation.
What is the lake of fire for? It is a giant crematorium to dispose of dead bodies during the new earth age so disease is held to a minimum.
Jremy, just quit being disobedient to 1 Timothy 2:4-6 and 4:10,11.
Seriously, don't call Jesus your Lord if you continue to refuse to do what He tells you to do.
1 Tim.2:4-6 and 4:10,11 is so specific only a blind person can't see it.
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