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RobinD69, Where to start? First of all we are so removed from the principles of the Christian theme that this country was based on that it is no longer able to see the forest for the trees. When the pilgrims landed in Jamestown, the first thing they did was erect a cross and give thanks to God, everything else was secondary. Our whole beginning as a nation was biblical fundementalism. I will say anything past the crucification of Christ is so much religion and never confuse religion with Christianity. Religion has ruined more good people than any lethal weapon. There are many religions and they all have their own theologies and this creates a problem, people pick a "religion" that suits their lifestyle.
I live by two major passages in the Bible and as I paraphrase a lot bare with me. #1. Jesus met the Samaritan woman at the well and helped her draw water and talked to her, this was very uncomfortable for her as at that time period, men did not strike up conversations with strange women and not a Samaritan!!. Being uncomfortable she tried to make some small talk and so asked Jesus on what mountain he prayed on (in those days they did not have organized churches). Jesus basically told her the day would come when you need not be on any mountain to pray. What he is saying that it is a relationship, not a church. I believe everyone who has a reason or feels comfortable going to a certain church or belonging to a certain religion it is their right as they are the one's who have to live with themselves. Their relationship is a personal thing and you know if you are doing right or wrong in your own heart and realize the outcome but it is your choice. God gave all of us "free will".#2, God said I have domanian over the fish in the ocean, the beasts in the field and the birds in the sky and as I see it unless "HE" equips you or gives you the talent or gifting or whatever to do anything else, live your relationship and keep your nose out of other people's business.. As far as man's law versus God's law, we are a society that needs laws or we will have anachry, are they always right, I suppose not but Jesus said, "whose face is on this coin"? and the boys said Caesar's and Jesus said then give to Caesar what is his, again it goes back to what you personally believe in as a personal relationship. I have taught Bible Studies and worked with the youth and I really liked working with young people because they were not all bound up with tradition and crap, they were open minded enough to take it in text and not literally and realized this is their own path to walk and have no right to judge another. Correct my grammar and spelling all you want, I am fairly well balanced.Now that I am on the soap box let me add, it is about time we started worring about ourselves and quit giving a damn what people thought of us as Americans and stop making excuses for our actions. Also one more shot, Why all the turmoil in the Middle East. back to the bible, look at Abraham and Sarah, the hand maiden's son was cast out with his Mother in the desert and became the father of the "warring Tribes". Iran, Irag, Yemen, etc.
RobinD69, Where to start? First of all we are so removed from the principles of the Christian theme that this country was based on that it is no longer able to see the forest for the trees. When the pilgrims landed in Jamestown, the first thing they did was erect a cross and give thanks to God, everything else was secondary. Our whole beginning as a nation was biblical fundementalism. I will say anything past the crucification of Christ is so much religion and never confuse religion with Christianity. Religion has ruined more good people than any lethal weapon. There are many religions and they all have their own theologies and this creates a problem, people pick a "religion" that suits their lifestyle.
I live by two major passages in the Bible and as I paraphrase a lot bare with me. #1. Jesus met the Samaritan woman at the well and helped her draw water and talked to her, this was very uncomfortable for her as at that time period, men did not strike up conversations with strange women and not a Samaritan!!. Being uncomfortable she tried to make some small talk and so asked Jesus on what mountain he prayed on (in those days they did not have organized churches). Jesus basically told her the day would come when you need not be on any mountain to pray. What he is saying that it is a relationship, not a church. I believe everyone who has a reason or feels comfortable going to a certain church or belonging to a certain religion it is their right as they are the one's who have to live with themselves. Their relationship is a personal thing and you know if you are doing right or wrong in your own heart and realize the outcome but it is your choice. God gave all of us "free will".#2, God said I have domanian over the fish in the ocean, the beasts in the field and the birds in the sky and as I see it unless "HE" equips you or gives you the talent or gifting or whatever to do anything else, live your relationship and keep your nose out of other people's business.. As far as man's law versus God's law, we are a society that needs laws or we will have anachry, are they always right, I suppose not but Jesus said, "whose face is on this coin"? and the boys said Caesar's and Jesus said then give to Caesar what is his, again it goes back to what you personally believe in as a personal relationship. I have taught Bible Studies and worked with the youth and I really liked working with young people because they were not all bound up with tradition and crap, they were open minded enough to take it in text and not literally and realized this is their own path to walk and have no right to judge another. Correct my grammar and spelling all you want, I am fairly well balanced.Now that I am on the soap box let me add, it is about time we started worring about ourselves and quit giving a damn what people thought of us as Americans and stop making excuses for our actions. Also one more shot, Why all the turmoil in the Middle East. back to the bible, look at Abraham and Sarah, the hand maiden's son was cast out with his Mother in the desert and became the father of the "warring Tribes". Iran, Irag, Yemen, etc.
You make some very good points, Thank you for sharing and thank you for your perspective you have a very informed perspective which many will not appreciate but I do.
You really need to take a look at the facts surrounding Shephards death, you have truly bought into the propaganda.
You mean like the fact that he was robbed, pistol whipped, tortured, tied to a fence in a remote area and left to die? Afterwards, the district attorney could not prosecute the act as a hate crime because there was no legislation against such things based on a person's sexual orientation.
Now, explain to me what else needs to be discerned from this Robin? Or are you so mentally deluded that you're sitting at home thanking Jesus for the brutal death of another gay person?
RobinD69, thank you, I appreciate that and I was not directing this to you but as you were the last post I just jumped in. Yes we are always going to have discussions on this topic and I gues that is the reason you do not discuss politics or "RELIGION". Thanks again, lee
You mean like the fact that he was robbed, pistol whipped, tortured, tied to a fence in a remote area and left to die? Afterwards, the defendants could not prosecute the act as a hate crime because there was no legislation against such things based on a person's sexual orientation.
Now, explain to me what else needs to be discerned from this Robin? Or are you so mentally deluded that you're sitting at home thanking Jesus for the brutal death of another gay person?
There is no proof that his death was a hate crime because he was gay. All evidence points to robbery and murder all else is heresay and manipulation of the facts. If you would be so kind as to present a police report that states otherwise then you are only promoting propaganda.
Excuse me, where are we? Oh yeah the CHRISTIANITY FORUM, if you dont like it leave it. This is why people like you constantly twist and abuse the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Again, someone please answer my question "Where in the Constitution or Bill of Rights is the seperation of church and state"?
Yes! Yes! Where O Where Art Thou? I'm so smart I can simply say "where is it in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights"!!! Great argument since I can completely disregard any case law that has taken place in this country..
Where does the Constitution and the Bill of Rights say anything about Miranda Rights? Where!?!?!?!? Where does it mention the speed limit??!?!? Where does it mention that women have a right to vote?!?!?!?!? Where I ask you!?!?!?
In actuality the freedom of religion was specificaly Christian and Jewish, all other were considered pagan and actually against the law of the Land.
Really? Got documentation on that?
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
the scriptures are the law of the church not the law of the land. does not apply to non members.
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