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Old 02-15-2010, 09:43 AM
 
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I hear people in here who like using the phrase, "different paths" to the Father to explain away heresies so what does this verse mean? What is Paul getting at if not heresies?

(2 corinthians 11:1-4)
1 I hope you will put up with a little of my foolishness; but you are already doing that.

2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.

3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
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Old 02-15-2010, 10:04 AM
 
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I hear people in here who like using the phrase, "different paths" to the Father to explain away heresies so what does this verse mean? What is Paul getting at if not heresies?

(2 corinthians 11:1-4)
1 I hope you will put up with a little of my foolishness; but you are already doing that.

2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.

3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
This is a perfect example of what the church and the reading of the OT descriptions of Jehovah have done under the veil of ignorance that Christ came to remove, Fundy. Reconciling the pure and true Christ with the ignorant primitive descriptions of Jehovah is "putting up with" the teaching of a completely different Spirit than Christ.
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Old 02-15-2010, 12:09 PM
 
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What exactly is heresy?
I hear people in here who like using the phrase, "different paths" to the Father to explain away heresies so what does this verse mean? What is Paul getting at if not heresies?
There is only one way to the Father and that is through Jesus Christ...

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

Any other way is heresy....

heresy:
From the Greek, meaning ‘choice’ or ‘thing chosen’, or an opinion. It came to be used (in the Greek) for a sect or a school of philosophy, and of the ‘sects’ of the Sadducees and the Pharisees in Acts 5: 17; 15: 5.
It is used by Paul for a protest group in Corinth (1 Cor. 11: 19) and for a typical kind of divisive action in the community (Gal. 5: 20), where the word is on its way to its later designation of a deviationist group within Christianity.
By the end of the 1st century Ignatius of Antioch termed theological error a ‘heresy’ and, in the later Church, heresy, as deliberate adherence to ‘false’ doctrine, was condemned as sinful.

2 Corinthians Paul continues his attempt to correct errors of unchristian practice, worship, and doctrine which had arisen in the Corinth Church.
The Corinthian church required Paul's repeated care.
Paul was concerned that false apostles were leading the Corinthians away from the gospel of Jesus Christ. They were taking selfish advantage of the Corinthians by claiming apostlic authority and by boasting of human abilities and achievements. Paul defends his own authority as God's apostle by referring to what God had done through him, especially in the conversion of the Corinthians. He uses his authority as their founder to defend the true gospel. Yet Paul's primary purpose in the letter is not confrontation but reconciliation.

Now in Chapters 10-13 deal with teacher's at Corinth who challenged Paul's authority and falsely claimed to be apostles. Paul defends his authority as Christ's apostle by showing how God's power has been effective through him.
Because Paul is involved so deeply in all of these issues, the letter is filled with emotion. We can see the heartbeat of the apostle in his concern for the struggling young churches under his care.

Now for the scripture you ask.....
Paul was deeply concerned that the Corinthians were being led astray by the false teachers (1-4), who accused Paul of not being eloquent in speech. He replies that knowledge of God's truth is more important and notes that his qualification have been manifested (vv.5-6). He refused to take financial support from the Corinthians (vv.7-10). Therefore, no one could accuse him of the deceitful self-seeking (vv.11-12) of which the false apostles were guilty (v.13).

2Cor. 11:1-4
1. I wish that you would bear with me in a little foolishness; but indeed you are bearing with me.

Paul must cite some of his own virtues in order to counter the criticisms against him. To him this boasting of self was folly, even though in this case a necessary self-defense.
To boast about one's own achievements is foolish and not according to the Lord. Paul did so only because the false teachers were boasting in this way. Arguing on their own premises was an attempt to counteract their influence over the Corinthians. But even such boasting by Paul is boasting over what the Lord has done. Four times he declares he will boast only of his weaknesses in which Christ's power has been shown in his life.....

2. For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.

Paul pictures himself as a father who has betrothed the Corinthians church, a chaste virgin, to be the bride of Christ. He is jealous because he loves the church and fears she will be turned away from Christ.

3. But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.

Eve was deceived because she allowed her mind to be corrupted by wrong ideas about God.
That simplicity which is lovingly intended on Him alone seeking no other person or thing.

4. For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully.

The false teachers used Christian words, hmmm....sounds like a lot of what I have been reading here in this forum.... the false teachers spoke of Jesus, the spirit, and the gospel. But they did not mean the same thing by these terms that Paul had taught.
The Corinthians seemed to be accepting these changed meanings of the false teachers....

These were false apostles because they were motivated by self-interest. They were deceitful because, like Satan, who pretended to be representative of God, they pretended to be representing Christ. In the end their disguise would not succeed, they would be punished according to their works!!

2 Peter 2:1
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

Reference to v. 4
Gal.1:6-8
6. I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;
7. which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
8. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
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