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Old 04-01-2010, 08:11 AM
 
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Suppose there was a leader of some European country and just suppose that leader had a person murdered.

And suppose that leader was about to go to trial for murdering that person. But . . . suppose somehow the murdered person was brought back to life.

And suppose the murdered person who was brought back to life learned some valuable life's lessons he could not have learned had he not been murdered and brought back to life.

Would that person be mad at the European leader?

Would that leader be tried for murder?

Would the murder of that person be justified for all the good that came out of it after the person was brought back to life?
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Old 04-01-2010, 08:25 AM
 
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Suppose there was a leader of some European country and just suppose that leader had a person murdered.

And suppose that leader was about to go to trial for murdering that person. But . . . suppose somehow the murdered person was brought back to life.

And suppose the murdered person who was brought back to life learned some valuable life's lessons he could not have learned had he not been murdered and brought back to life.

Would that person be mad at the European leader?

Would that leader be tried for murder?
Yes.

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Would the murder of that person be justified for all the good that came out of it after the person was brought back to life?
No.
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Old 04-01-2010, 08:37 AM
 
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Yes.
How could he be tried for murder if the person was alive? Your response makes no sense.


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No.
Of course the murder would be justified.

Do you think the murder of Jesus was not justified for all the good that came out of it?
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Old 04-01-2010, 08:41 AM
 
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How could he be tried for murder if the person was alive?
Because he had been dead.

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Of course the murder would be justified.

Do you think the murder of Jesus was not justified for all the good that came out of it?
The murder was what made the sacrifice necessary. Had a perfect man not been murdered, there would have been no need for the perfect man to die.
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Old 04-01-2010, 08:44 AM
 
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Suppose there was a leader of some European country and just suppose that leader had a person murdered.

And suppose that leader was about to go to trial for murdering that person. But . . . suppose somehow the murdered person was brought back to life.

And suppose the murdered person who was brought back to life learned some valuable life's lessons he could not have learned had he not been murdered and brought back to life.

Would that person be mad at the European leader?

Would that leader be tried for murder?

Would the murder of that person be justified for all the good that came out of it after the person was brought back to life?
God's justice is not the same justice as we see it. it supposed to work like this: A man commits murder. The person he murdered has family. The family should forgive him and themselves if they acted harshly towards the murderer, have the murderer work out "something" that will help the man redeem himself by doing something good for humanity. The murderer never commits murder again because Love was the guiding force behind the "punishment". We are not perfect so we can't expect others to be perfect. We should always see the child of God and not the sin the child of God has committed.

I know it works because I have used this same system on others who society has deemed sinners and unredeemable.

What we do now: A murderer commits murder. Goes to trial and spends the rest of his life behind bars. This man cannot get help nor redeem himself because all man sees is the sin and not the child. We all have encrustments. We can't redeem ourselves if all people see is the sin. When we look underneath at the child of God within, we can heal the entire world.

This is why our prisons are overcrowded because they get no help. There is never justification to murder and there is never justification if the murderer is not helped. Every person in the entire world is in need of some kind of help. Not all get it.

I don't really know if that answered your question. I believe, in real life, the leader would be tried anyway.
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Old 04-01-2010, 09:07 AM
 
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God's justice is not the same justice as we see it.
This is God's justice:
The Jews murdered God's Son. Their very murder is what will justify them and save them. Jesus was brought back to life. So they can't be condemned for murdering Jesus. Don't you find God's wisdom in all this far above man's wisdom? He uses the very means of the murderer to save the murderer. Only God could do that!

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it supposed to work like this: A man commits murder. The person he murdered has family. The family should forgive him and themselves if they acted harshly towards the murderer, have the murderer work out "something" that will help the man redeem himself by doing something good for humanity. The murderer never commits murder again because Love was the guiding force behind the "punishment". We are not perfect so we can't expect others to be perfect. We should always see the child of God and not the sin the child of God has committed.
I'm not talking about a man who commits murder that that's that. I'm talking about a man who commits murder and the one murdered is brought back to life. The one who killed the person cannot be tried for murder because the one he killed is not dead.


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I don't really know if that answered your question. I believe, in real life, the leader would be tried anyway.
He can't be tried for murder because the one he murdered is now alive. He might be tried for attempted murder or assault with a deadly weapon but that is all.
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Old 04-01-2010, 09:12 AM
 
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This is God's justice:
The Jews murdered God's Son.
Any other people would have done the same. Christians get hated everywhere. Those who hate them are in for an exciting future.
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Old 04-01-2010, 09:16 AM
 
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Any other people would have done the same. Christians get hated everywhere. Those who hate them are in for an exciting future.
That is going beyond the scope of this thread. This thread is about someone who murders a person but that person is brought back to life. Upon the making alive of that person the murderer is no longer a murderer.

If I get mad at someone and punch them and they die but the ambulance comes and ressuscitates the person would I be charged with murder? NO!
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Old 04-01-2010, 09:25 AM
 
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That is going beyond the scope of this thread.
On the contrary, it blows the OP argument to pieces. The thesis is that the Jews will get off because justification arose from their murder. What the Jews did, people everywhere do, and have done for 2000 years. They hate Christians. And those who oppose God's church will wish they had never been born.
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Old 04-01-2010, 09:26 AM
 
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If I get mad at someone and punch them and they die but the ambulance comes and ressuscitates the person would I be charged with murder? NO!
Attempted murder, which may have the same penalty as murder.
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