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Old 04-16-2010, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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I never meant to imply, and certainly never said, that Verna does not mean well ...

I think she is deceived and self deluded, but i believe she truly believes what she claims.
Aren't we all! I'm sure a lot of people would say the same about me. Katzpur is sincere, but kind of a nut job when it gets right down to it.
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Old 04-16-2010, 05:29 PM
 
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Just look at what Jesus says about the pharisee and the publican ...


Luke 18:9-14
And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.


Now which of the two does Verna and all those who believe and teach as she does sound Like to you?


Selah ...
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Old 04-16-2010, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Pilot Point, TX
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If you focus on the Author
He will keep you clean

If you focus on the darkness
It will keep you where you've been
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Old 04-16-2010, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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In the Love of Christ for ALL of you...everyone...every single, solitary one of you...without exception...

Verna.
Thank you.

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defend those who are weaker
Thank you.

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Aren't we all! I'm sure a lot of people would say the same about me. Katzpur is sincere, but kind of a nut job when it gets right down to it.
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Old 04-17-2010, 09:54 AM
 
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So, no, I do not lie, intentionally...and the unintentional one's become fewer and farther in between!! Praise God!!
Verna.

There is no such thing as an unintentional lie. We can all be mistaken, that is another matter. When we find out we are mistaken, we admit it, or THEN we can begin a lie.

You know you lie, and they are all intentional. that is why it is a lie in the first place.

This is the problem that comes with a doctrine that you see will damn yourself for lying, so now you have to find a way to say that your lies are of no effect.

What a Crock.

Thank Goodness these kinds of doctrines are false, or every human being is damned forever.
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Old 04-17-2010, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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There is no such thing as an unintentional lie. We can all be mistaken, that is another matter. When we find out we are mistaken, we admit it, or THEN we can begin a lie.

You know you lie, and they are all intentional. that is why it is a lie in the first place.

This is the problem that comes with a doctrine that you see will damn yourself for lying, so now you have to find a way to say that your lies are of no effect.

What a Crock.

Thank Goodness these kinds of doctrines are false, or every human being is damned forever.
Or.. Thank Goodness every human being is damned forever so that every human being can share in his glory!
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Old 04-17-2010, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Is anyone familiar with Corrie Ten Boom? The movie "The Hiding Place" was about her family hiding Jews during the Holocaust. Her story inspired me to stand up for what is right and protect the innocent even at your own peril. She lied to the Nazi's... more than once. AFTER being 'born again.' She was tortured in the Nazi concentration camp and survived to tell her story. Her story would not have been told had she not lied to save others. Yet she lied, so no heaven for her Verna?
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Old 04-17-2010, 11:05 AM
 
Location: On a road heaven bound !
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There is no such thing as an unintentional lie. We can all be mistaken, that is another matter. When we find out we are mistaken, we admit it, or THEN we can begin a lie.

You know you lie, and they are all intentional. that is why it is a lie in the first place.

This is the problem that comes with a doctrine that you see will damn yourself for lying, so now you have to find a way to say that your lies are of no effect.

What a Crock.

Thank Goodness these kinds of doctrines are false, or every human being is damned forever.
Amen.... Phazelwood !
I do agree with you, there is no such thing as an unintentional lie! All lies are premeditated and we do know at that instant that we are choosing to do so, regardless if it is because of fear, rejection, whatever the case !!! A lie is a lie.....

Blessings
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Old 04-17-2010, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Florida
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"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the Commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ." Rev 12:17 (KJV)

The dragon is anti-Christian power that opposes the testimony of Jesus Christ (The ruler of the Kingdom of God) and those people who obey Him.

May God Bless you all, and your eyes be opened one day to His truth...I do pray.
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Old 04-17-2010, 01:42 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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If you focus on the Author
He will keep you clean

If you focus on the darkness
It will keep you where you've been
I love your quippy little sayings
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