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I am beginning a 14 part series of studies on Eternal Life and its inheritance for the saints and servants of God and Christ.
Everyone is free to discuss this. Please try to be cordial...
Salvation
Salvation is an acutely dynamic act of snatching others by force from serious peril. It is saving a life from death or harm, it is deliverance from the penalty and power of sin.
The primary saving event in the OT is the Exodus (Exo 14:13), which demonstrated both God's power to save and God's concern for His oppressed people (Exo 34:6-7). Israel recounted God's deliverance from Egyptian slavery in the Passover ritual (Exo 12:1-13), in sermon (Neh 9:9-11), and in psalms (Psa 74:12-13; 78:13, 42-54; 105:26-38).
The prophets anticipated God's salvation to be realized in the earth's renewed fruitfulness and the rebuilding of the ruined cities of Israel (amos 9:13-15). Salvation would extend to all nations who would stream to Zion for instruction in God's way (Isa 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-4; Zech 8:20-23). In the OT God's salvation embraces abundant life (Isa 25:6) and the end of death for the faithful (25:7), tears and disgrace )25:8). Throughout most of the OT, salvation is a corporate or community experience. The Psalms, however, are especially concerned with the salvation of the individual from the threat of enemies influence (Psa 13:5; 18:2; 24:5).
Christ's saving work involves already completed, ongoing, and future saving activity. Jesus' earthly ministry made salvation a present reality for His generation. Jesus' healing ministry effected salvation from disease (Mark 5:34; 10:52; Luke 17:19; and compare Mark 2:5 and Luke 7:50). He assured a repentant Zacchaeus that "This day is salvation come to theis house" - Luke 19:9. Through such encounters, Jesus fulfilled the goal of His ministry: TO SEEK AND SAVE THAT WHICH WAS LOST - Luke 19:10
The apex of Christ's completed work is His sacrificial death (Mark 10:45; 2 Cor 5:19; Heb 9:12). The believer can confess, "I was saved when Jesus died for me." Christ's present saving work primarily concerns Christ's role as mediator (Rom 8:34;Heb 7:25; 1 John 2:1). Christ's sacrificial death is central to salvation, and His saving activity extends to the whole of His life , including His birth (Gal 4:4-5), resurrection (Rom 4:25; 1 Cor 15:17, and ascension (Rom 8:24).
God's saving work involves the conviction of sin (John 16:8) repentance (turning) from sin to God (Luke 15:7, 10; 2 Cor 7:10); faith commitment to Christ as Lord (Acts 2:21; Rom 10:9-10). Scripture describes this act as: new birth (John 3:3; Titus 3:5); new creation (2 Cor 517);l adoption (Rom 8:15; Ga; 4:4-5; Eph 1:5); empowerment to be God's children (John 1:12) the status of the saints and their life (1 Cor 1:2; 2 Cor 1:1) This initial work in the believer's life is often termed justification. Justification also embraces God's judgement on the resurrection of the dead (Rom 2;13; 3:20, 30).
God's ongoing work in the believer's life concerns the process of maturing in Christ (Heb 2:3; 1 Pet 2:2; 2 Peter 3:18), growing in Christ's service (1 Cor 7:20-22) and experiencing victory over the power of Sin through the Holy Spirit and through the power of sin and death through Jesus Christ (Rom 7-8; 1 Cor 15:57). Here sin remains a reality in the believer's life (Rom 7; 1 John 1:8-2:1). The believer is caught in between what God has begun, and what God completes (Phil 1:6; 2:12).
Salvation is a free offering from God appropriated through faith (Eph 2:8-9; Rom 3:28). No individual merits salvation by fulfillment of God's law (Rom 3:20). Saving faith is, however,obedient faith (Rom 1:5; 16:26; 1 Pet 1:2). We are saved for our good works (Eph 2:10). Faith that does not result in acts of Christian love is not salvific but evil (James 2:14-26 and especially verse 19).
Assurance of salvation is grounded in confidence that God is able to finish the good work He has begun in each of us (Phil 1:6), that God who sacrificed His Son for sinners (Rom 5:8-9) will not hold back anything necessary to save one of His children (Rom 8:32), and that nothing can separate us, from God's love in Christ (Rom 8:35-39). Confidence in God's ability to keep those who have entrusted their lives to Christ is not, however and excuse for any beliver's inactivity or moral failure (Rom 6:12-13; Eph 2:10).
Salvation is an acutely dynamic act of snatching others by force from serious peril. It is saving a life from death or harm, it is deliverance from the penalty and power of sin.
This is an interesting statement to start with. I agree with it, and it demonstrates why salvation is not a free will choice. In a sense salvation is indeed "forced" - "snatching others by force from serious peril" as you say. Jesus snatches us from sin and death; if we were otherwise left to our own abilities we would sin ourself to death.
This is an interesting statement to start with. I agree with it, and it demonstrates why salvation is not a free will choice. In a sense salvation is indeed "forced" - "snatching others by force from serious peril" as you say. Jesus snatches us from sin and death; if we were otherwise left to our own abilities we would sin ourself to death.
Carry on...
Yes, if we just take this one sentence and build doctrine from it. But it is clear throughout all the verses provided afterwards, which appears you didn't even bother to look up like a good exegete since you were so quick to reply, where they all point to a combination of free will and Divine draw to the man where salvation is propitiated for their belief. It is obvious, that you are careless not only about your own paradigm, but the scriptures and what they teach themselves.
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You are snatched by force at CONFESSION.
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Yes, if we just take this one sentence and build doctrine from it. But it is clear throughout all the verses provided afterwards, which appears you didn't even bother to look up like a good exegete since you were so quick to reply, where they all point to a combination of free will and Divine draw to the man where salvation is propitiated for their belief. It is obvious, that you are careless not only about your own paradigm, but the scriptures and what they teach themselves.
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You are snatched by force at CONFESSION.
So in effect you are saying it is your confession that saves you.
Your opening sentence is in error or at least misleading. How is it "snatched by force" when you've already agreed to be "snatched by force" by your confession? You are saying Jesus doesn't save the ones who really need to be saved - those who are unwilling to confess.
Sciotamicks, you walk the line between Calvinist and Arminian so finely. A true Calvinist would say that one confesses to Jesus after Jesus has regenerated Him - in effect, Jesus "snatches by force" (regenerates) first, and then one confesses.
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This is an interesting statement to start with. I agree with it, and it demonstrates why salvation is not a free will choice. In a sense salvation is indeed "forced" - "snatching others by force from serious peril" as you say. Jesus snatches us from sin and death; if we were otherwise left to our own abilities we would sin ourself to death.
Carry on...
LOL That is the first thing I thought of too! Forced... what an interesting way to put it!
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Salvation
Salvation is an acutely dynamic act of snatching others by force from serious peril. It is saving a life from death or harm, it is deliverance from the penalty and power of sin.
I love this sentence... How true it is! The Act of Snatching Others by Force from Serious Peril! YEP! Right on Sciota!
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The apex of Christ's completed work is His sacrificial death (Mark 10:45; 2 Cor 5:19; Heb 9:12). The believer can confess, "I was saved when Jesus died for me." Christ's present saving work primarily concerns Christ's role as mediator (Rom 8:34;Heb 7:25; 1 John 2:1). Christ's sacrificial death is central to salvation, and His saving activity extends to the whole of His life , including His birth (Gal 4:4-5), resurrection (Rom 4:25; 1 Cor 15:17, and ascension (Rom 8:24).
So you are saying that all the saving that will ever occur happened in the 1st century at the cross... correct? The you must admit that faith and belief have nothing to do with it. A certain number of saved were saved then and the rest..well too bad for them. Right? I believe ALL MEN were saved and that number is as the sands of the sea! How do you find that some will never be saved by that act on the cross in scripture.. none that you listed even talk about who is NOT saved.
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Salvation is a free offering from God appropriated through faith (Eph 2:8-9; Rom 3:28). No individual merits salvation by fulfillment of God's law (Rom 3:20). Saving faith is, however,obedient faith (Rom 1:5; 16:26; 1 Pet 1:2). We are saved for our good works (Eph 2:10). Faith that does not result in acts of Christian love is not salvific but evil (James 2:14-26 and especially verse 19).
Salvation is free if you believe and have faith... otherwise it costs believing and having faith...right?
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Assurance of salvation is grounded in confidence that God is able to finish the good work He has begun in each of us (Phil 1:6), that God who sacrificed His Son for sinners (Rom 5:8-9) will not hold back anything necessary to save one of His children (Rom 8:32), and that nothing can separate us, from God's love in Christ (Rom 8:35-39).
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The God who sacrificed his son for sinners will NOT hold back anything necessary (even by force as stated before!) to save one of his children! Are all people his children sciota?
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Psssst.Excuse me but if you want to continue to discuss this op then do it by the TOS..No insults, no flames, no sarcasm..If the subject does not interest you there are other threads here that may..
I am beginning a 14 part series of studies on Eternal Life and its inheritance for the saints and servants of God and Christ.
Everyone is free to discuss this. Please try to be cordial...
Salvation
Salvation is an acutely dynamic act of snatching others by force from serious peril. It is saving a life from death or harm, it is deliverance from the penalty and power of sin.
The primary saving event in the OT is the Exodus (Exo 14:13), which demonstrated both God's power to save and God's concern for His oppressed people (Exo 34:6-7). Israel recounted God's deliverance from Egyptian slavery in the Passover ritual (Exo 12:1-13), in sermon (Neh 9:9-11), and in psalms (Psa 74:12-13; 78:13, 42-54; 105:26-38).
The prophets anticipated God's salvation to be realized in the earth's renewed fruitfulness and the rebuilding of the ruined cities of Israel (amos 9:13-15). Salvation would extend to all nations who would stream to Zion for instruction in God's way (Isa 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-4; Zech 8:20-23). In the OT God's salvation embraces abundant life (Isa 25:6) and the end of death for the faithful (25:7), tears and disgrace )25:8). Throughout most of the OT, salvation is a corporate or community experience. The Psalms, however, are especially concerned with the salvation of the individual from the threat of enemies influence (Psa 13:5; 18:2; 24:5).
Christ's saving work involves already completed, ongoing, and future saving activity. Jesus' earthly ministry made salvation a present reality for His generation. Jesus' healing ministry effected salvation from disease (Mark 5:34; 10:52; Luke 17:19; and compare Mark 2:5 and Luke 7:50). He assured a repentant Zacchaeus that "This day is salvation come to theis house" - Luke 19:9. Through such encounters, Jesus fulfilled the goal of His ministry: TO SEEK AND SAVE THAT WHICH WAS LOST - Luke 19:10
The apex of Christ's completed work is His sacrificial death (Mark 10:45; 2 Cor 5:19; Heb 9:12). The believer can confess, "I was saved when Jesus died for me." Christ's present saving work primarily concerns Christ's role as mediator (Rom 8:34;Heb 7:25; 1 John 2:1). Christ's sacrificial death is central to salvation, and His saving activity extends to the whole of His life , including His birth (Gal 4:4-5), resurrection (Rom 4:25; 1 Cor 15:17, and ascension (Rom 8:24).
God's saving work involves the conviction of sin (John 16:8) repentance (turning) from sin to God (Luke 15:7, 10; 2 Cor 7:10); faith commitment to Christ as Lord (Acts 2:21; Rom 10:9-10). Scripture describes this act as: new birth (John 3:3; Titus 3:5); new creation (2 Cor 517);l adoption (Rom 8:15; Ga; 4:4-5; Eph 1:5); empowerment to be God's children (John 1:12) the status of the saints and their life (1 Cor 1:2; 2 Cor 1:1) This initial work in the believer's life is often termed justification. Justification also embraces God's judgement on the resurrection of the dead (Rom 2;13; 3:20, 30).
God's ongoing work in the believer's life concerns the process of maturing in Christ (Heb 2:3; 1 Pet 2:2; 2 Peter 3:18), growing in Christ's service (1 Cor 7:20-22) and experiencing victory over the power of Sin through the Holy Spirit and through the power of sin and death through Jesus Christ (Rom 7-8; 1 Cor 15:57). Here sin remains a reality in the believer's life (Rom 7; 1 John 1:8-2:1). The believer is caught in between what God has begun, and what God completes (Phil 1:6; 2:12).
Salvation is a free offering from God appropriated through faith (Eph 2:8-9; Rom 3:28). No individual merits salvation by fulfillment of God's law (Rom 3:20). Saving faith is, however,obedient faith (Rom 1:5; 16:26; 1 Pet 1:2). We are saved for our good works (Eph 2:10). Faith that does not result in acts of Christian love is not salvific but evil (James 2:14-26 and especially verse 19).
Assurance of salvation is grounded in confidence that God is able to finish the good work He has begun in each of us (Phil 1:6), that God who sacrificed His Son for sinners (Rom 5:8-9) will not hold back anything necessary to save one of His children (Rom 8:32), and that nothing can separate us, from God's love in Christ (Rom 8:35-39). Confidence in God's ability to keep those who have entrusted their lives to Christ is not, however and excuse for any beliver's inactivity or moral failure (Rom 6:12-13; Eph 2:10).
Our next study will be on Atonement.
If your saying it is God's work to convict one of sin then can His work fail to convict one of sin?
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