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Old 06-15-2007, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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I think He is very sad when He sees much of God’s creation ignoring His gift, and not fully realizing or accepting the consequences, when all could come to Him…
Not fully realizing the consequences...so as punishment for lack of understanding, they get sent to hell for eternal torture. Hmmmm.....

He is very sad...but powerless to change it...sounds like a defeated God to me....what happened?
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:07 PM
 
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So, they were predestined to do what they did. Are they the only ones that God has predestined, in general? Or has he predestined all of us?
No, I don't think any of us are predestined now. IMO I think that in order to fulfill the old scriptures that SOME of the main characters in the new testament up to the resurrection were predestined. You know, this might make an interesting thread..Someone?
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:08 PM
 
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No, I don't think any of us are predestined now. IMO I think that in order to fulfill the old scriptures that SOME of the main characters in the new testament up to the resurrection were predestined. You know, this might make an interesting thread..Someone?
Well what about fullfilling the scriptures of the second coming and end times and all that...wouldn't that mean at least some would need to be predestined in order to accomplish that as well? I think you are right another interesting topic indeed!
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:12 PM
 
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Well what about fullfilling the scriptures of the second coming and end times and all that...wouldn't that mean at least some would need to be predestined in order to accomplish that as well? I think you are right another interesting topic indeed!
My thoughts exactly! So did God only pre-ordain some people, not others? And therefore His "forgiveness ability" is different depending on that?
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:19 PM
 
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My thoughts exactly! So did God only pre-ordain some people, not others? And therefore His "forgiveness ability" is different depending on that?

There's much more to come, isn't there? There has to be predestined people out there. Whether the same type of forgiveness would apply? Who knows? Jeff, I'm not sure if you read my last post on this thread, I hope I was getting your meaning.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:28 PM
 
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Originally posted by jeffncandaceNot fully realizing the consequences...so as punishment for lack of understanding, they get sent to hell for eternal torture. Hmmmm.....
He is very sad...but powerless to change it...sounds like a defeated God to me....what happened?
Go by what I mean, not by what I say! What I meant was, in this world we allow ourselves to be blinded by many things such as peer pressure, financial pursuits, selfishness, etc, and soon forget the things that will really matter in the end. But no one will suddenly wake up deceived in sin, it comes after rejecting the Lord, sometimes repeatedly. If we all could catch a vision of how heaven and hell really were, and the real consequences of disobeying, I don’t think one of us would delay in knowing where our priorities were. But we can’t use this as an excuse, “show me hell and I’ll follow You.” God speaks in a still small voice, and it’s all in the Bible for the honest seeker! “Even a fool shall not err there in.” He is not powerless, He is just leaving the choice to us.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:34 PM
 
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There's much more to come, isn't there? There has to be predestined people out there. Whether the same type of forgiveness would apply? Who knows? Jeff, I'm not sure if you read my last post on this thread, I hope I was getting your meaning.
Yes, you are pretty much. But I don't think we are supposed to sit back knowing it doesnt matter what we do. I think maybe that would be most peoples attitude, so maybe that's why God as allowed for Universalism to be swallowed up by history till now, because so many would not have tried to serve Him? That's definately another thread topic.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:39 PM
 
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If we all could catch a vision of how heaven and hell really were, and the real consequences of disobeying, I don’t think one of us would delay in knowing where our priorities were. But we can’t use this as an excuse, “show me hell and I’ll follow You.” God speaks in a still small voice, and it’s all in the Bible for the honest seeker! “Even a fool shall not err there in.” He is not powerless, He is just leaving the choice to us.
If we could catch of vision of how heaven and hell really are...when what hangs in the balance is one's eternal soul, and the wrong "choice" would send someone to unspeakable pain forever, doesn't that seem like to be given a fair chance, this is what God should do? Yes, yes...it's not my place to question, blah blah... (Blah blah's not directed at you specifically, cj81. I just know what the usual reaction is to this line of questioning). But this definately seems like a fair question, IMHO.
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:22 PM
 
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is this thread still on topic? I'm not sure, it seems to be making no sense, no offense to anyone. I'm really not sure what the question(s) are here afterall, so I'm gonna have to jet. But it's been fun and it's definitely got me seeking some more in the Scriptures about certain things. Talk to you all again, soon. LuLu
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Comunistafornia, and working to get out ASAP!
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Yes, I think He forgave these particular people for this particular sin. I don't think that applies to salvation in general, though...although I'm pretty sure you do, Jeff!
Pretty much what I was thinking. He forgave them for that act, but does not mean He forgive to life giving salvation.
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