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Old 06-02-2010, 09:59 AM
 
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The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto Him, to show unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass; and He sent and signified [it] by His angel unto His servant John. (Rev 1:1)

---> This topic is simply too deep for a single post, but I hope to open it with thoughts that will stir discussion on the subject.

The Greek word for revelation is APOKALUPSIS, a derivative of APOKALUPTO. APOKALUPTO is a compound word composed of APO, meaning "off" or "away," and KALUPTO, meaning "to cover up." Thus APOKALUPSIS means to take the cover off, to uncover, unveil, reveal or disclose. Thus, the revelation of Jesus Christ is the revealing of what was hidden beforehand.

It's no secret to the Christian that He is "hidden" in the life of the believer. This is the revealing that this book speaks of.

There are levels to understanding the word of God. There is the plain and literal surface meaning; there is the symbolic, figurative, or representative meaning; and there is the spiritual or mystical meaning; and these meanings are on an ascending scale in that order. The highest of all meanings is the spiritual meaning, for that is where we experience the reality of God who is Spirit. John referred to these three levels of truth in these significant words: "I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for His name’s sake...I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one...I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known Him that is from the beginning" (I Jn. 2:13). It's the same word, but on different levels to each realm.

The word of God will meet you at a different place depending upon where you are in the progression of your spiritual development from babes to young men to fathers. The book of Revelation is on the spiritual level.

The visions of the book of Revelation are well-ordered and each of the keys to the book testifies of itself. The idea that the body of Christ is a company of kings and priests, so graphically set forth in chapters four and five, suggests that our ministry is to bring people out of an old world order into a new world.

For the earnest expection of the creature waits for the manifestion of the sons of God. (Rom 8:19)

God has planted within His chosen elect the good seed of the Christ life, and the book of Revelation is the teaching of how God deals both positively and negatively in His people to bring forth the harvest of Christ within us. It is not a book of horrors, but rather an onslaught on the carnal nature of the first Adam.

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Old 06-02-2010, 10:11 AM
 
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Shhh, someone might learn something.

Great post!
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Old 06-02-2010, 06:54 PM
 
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"An Unveiling" reveals something already here. It's not about something coming from somewhere else. Over 40 times the word parousia, "to be, to be present" has been translated, "to come, coming" in the King James N.T. This lends credibility to the carnal mind's preference for everything to refer to another people at another time and place. "It happened in 70 AD," or, "It will come to pass in the last days," and, whatever truth there may be in such claims, these become the popular tradition, removing us from any responsibility for hearing God's Word, rather than how the Holy Spirit uses the text to change us, how He raises up within and among us the image of the Son.
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:28 AM
 
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The word of God will meet you at a different place depending upon where you are in the progression of your spiritual development from babes to young men to fathers. The book of Revelation is on the spiritual level.

The visions of the book of Revelation are well-ordered and each of the keys to the book testifies of itself. The idea that the body of Christ is a company of kings and priests, so graphically set forth in chapters four and five, suggests that our ministry is to bring people out of an old world order into a new world.
Little elmer.

Thanks for opening up this thread. This is the Bible portion that differentiates the men from the boys. Paul said that when he was a child he did childish things, however when he became a man, he put away childish things. There are milk teachings and there are the main teachings. If you do not understand Incarnation, De-incarnation and re-incarnation, there is NO HOPE of understanding the Revelations, NO HOPE!!

The reincarnation of Jesus will see a much tougher Christ, with a new name and a totally different assignment on earth. He has come to prside over the throne of his Father on earth. Will you know him when he comes? Will you not deny him a second time? The religious Jews knew all the prophecies of his first incarnation but still did not know him when he came. Even John the Baptist who baptised him was later to doubt him! Can a carnal man (flesh and blood ) know him? The Bible says ".. after Christ has come, Know we no man in the flesh..". It means we can only see him when we are in spirit. Are you still expecting him to come from the sky? Most of all, are you ready to understand the Deep teachings like a child?

The Revelations actually ended in Chapter 7. The other chapters fill in. Its about things that are and things that will happen. Most of the things in the Revelation have happened or have started happening!
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Old 06-03-2010, 07:28 AM
 
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It means we can only see him when we are in spirit. Are you still expecting him to come from the sky? Most of all, are you ready to understand the Deep teachings like a child?
Indeed.

The book of Revelation is the Sixth Gospel of Jesus Christ. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John wrote what they saw of Jesus Christ, on the earth in the days of His flesh. Luke, in the book of Acts, wrote of the revelation of Jesus that came by the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost and throughout the in-part realm of the earnest of the Spirit during the church age.

But John, in the book of Revelation, wrote what he witnessed of the full and complete revelation of Jesus Christ that comes to and through "him that overcometh." This book releases the mind of Christ out of celestial realms. We must by the Holy Ghost get on the horse, put our feet in the stirrups, take hold of the reins and ride through this book experientially in the anointing from on High. We must be in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day to understand it, just as John was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day to receive it. And when we do — we see Jesus...
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:25 AM
 
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The book of Revelation gives us the keys that unlock the necessary events within ourselves to bring forth this manifestation of God. Before there can ever be a new heaven and a new earth there will be some mighty dealings of God that will burn up the grass — those surface coverings and masks in our lives:

They will destroy the trees — those deeply rooted things that grow out of our earthly nature;
They will shake the mountains — those high and exalted kingdoms we have built up from our carnal minds;
They will turn the seas to blood until every living thing in them dies — the raging passions and emotions, relentless, unsatisfyable desires, and foaming agitations of the Adamic nature which we must pass through to get to the other side.

When John said that he beheld and there was no more sea, he meant that there was no longer anything within us preventing the pure and full expression of Christ in our earth. The reason there is a new heaven and a new earth is not because there is coming a great cataclysmic destruction in the outer world, but rather, all the walls and barriers that religion has built up in us, that have separated God from the earth, are to be obliterated so that there shall be an expression of God’s Spirit through us to creation. Religion has taught people that they have to die to obtain God’s fullness, while others have taught that we will fly away to some far-off heaven somewhere to get it while the world suffers the horrors of the damned and untold billions of humanity are consigned to eternal torture in the unquenchable fires of hell.

We have been told a thousand things that aren’t true and have been used, beaten, threatened, controlled, bled of our money, time and peace, brain washed and deceived by the carnality of the harlot system that calls itself the church. The doctrines, laws, methods, schemes, promotions, gimmicks, deceptions, fraud and foolishness of the church systems have taken the saints for quite a ride. Thank God, the day is coming when there will be no more sea! And for many of us - blessed be His name - it has already become a glorious fact that within ourselves there is no more sea!
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Old 06-03-2010, 11:49 AM
 
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The book of Revelation gives us the keys that unlock the necessary events within ourselves to bring forth this manifestation of God. Before there can ever be a new heaven and a new earth there will be some mighty dealings of God that will burn up the grass — those surface coverings and masks in our lives:

They will destroy the trees — those deeply rooted things that grow out of our earthly nature;
They will shake the mountains — those high and exalted kingdoms we have built up from our carnal minds;
They will turn the seas to blood until every living thing in them dies — the raging passions and emotions, relentless, unsatisfyable desires, and foaming agitations of the Adamic nature which we must pass through to get to the other side.

When John said that he beheld and there was no more sea, he meant that there was no longer anything within us preventing the pure and full expression of Christ in our earth. The reason there is a new heaven and a new earth is not because there is coming a great cataclysmic destruction in the outer world, but rather, all the walls and barriers that religion has built up in us, that have separated God from the earth, are to be obliterated so that there shall be an expression of God’s Spirit through us to creation. Religion has taught people that they have to die to obtain God’s fullness, while others have taught that we will fly away to some far-off heaven somewhere to get it while the world suffers the horrors of the damned and untold billions of humanity are consigned to eternal torture in the unquenchable fires of hell.

We have been told a thousand things that aren’t true and have been used, beaten, threatened, controlled, bled of our money, time and peace, brain washed and deceived by the carnality of the harlot system that calls itself the church. The doctrines, laws, methods, schemes, promotions, gimmicks, deceptions, fraud and foolishness of the church systems have taken the saints for quite a ride. Thank God, the day is coming when there will be no more sea! And for many of us - blessed be His name - it has already become a glorious fact that within ourselves there is no more sea!
Amen . . preach it Brother!!!
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:50 PM
 
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The book of Revelation gives us the keys that unlock the necessary events within ourselves to bring forth this manifestation of God. Before there can ever be a new heaven and a new earth there will be some mighty dealings of God that will burn up the grass — those surface coverings and masks in our lives:

They will destroy the trees — those deeply rooted things that grow out of our earthly nature;
They will shake the mountains — those high and exalted kingdoms we have built up from our carnal minds;
They will turn the seas to blood until every living thing in them dies — the raging passions and emotions, relentless, unsatisfyable desires, and foaming agitations of the Adamic nature which we must pass through to get to the other side.

When John said that he beheld and there was no more sea, he meant that there was no longer anything within us preventing the pure and full expression of Christ in our earth. The reason there is a new heaven and a new earth is not because there is coming a great cataclysmic destruction in the outer world, but rather, all the walls and barriers that religion has built up in us, that have separated God from the earth, are to be obliterated so that there shall be an expression of God’s Spirit through us to creation. Religion has taught people that they have to die to obtain God’s fullness, while others have taught that we will fly away to some far-off heaven somewhere to get it while the world suffers the horrors of the damned and untold billions of humanity are consigned to eternal torture in the unquenchable fires of hell.

We have been told a thousand things that aren’t true and have been used, beaten, threatened, controlled, bled of our money, time and peace, brain washed and deceived by the carnality of the harlot system that calls itself the church. The doctrines, laws, methods, schemes, promotions, gimmicks, deceptions, fraud and foolishness of the church systems have taken the saints for quite a ride. Thank God, the day is coming when there will be no more sea! And for many of us - blessed be His name - it has already become a glorious fact that within ourselves there is no more sea!
YESSSSS! CHRIST IN YOU THE HOPE OF GLORY! DON'T LOOK BEYOND THE STARS, FOR ONLY CHRIST ARISING IN YOU (THE ANOINTING) WILL SET YOU FREE! AMEN!!

blessings!
brian
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:51 PM
 
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THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS RIGHTEOUSNESS, PEACE AND JOY IN THE HOLY GHOST!!

Peace to all,
brian
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Old 06-03-2010, 01:08 PM
 
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God’s people are still prone to think with carnal minds. When they hear about things that will "shortly come to pass" immediately their attention is focused on world events rather than on the things of God.

This practice has given rise to what has been rightly termed "newspaper eschatology" — studying current events in the arena of "this present evil world" rather than searching the mind of the Spirit for the wisdom and understanding God gives of the true thing He is doing in the earth by His Spirit.

The work of God is not currently outside of us, not out there in the world of darkness with all of its plans, efforts, and shamefully fleshly and wicked activities. The work of God is withinHis elect...

"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13).

Sons of God do not derive their theology from the newspapers or television news casts. That is not where God’s work is seen! The Holy Spirit of God has not come to show us what the world system is up to — He has come to "take the things of Christ and show them unto us.
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